From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91414BB3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 23:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4AB51C5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Peter Huewe To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 01:21:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201507080121.41463.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> Cc: Jason Cooper Subject: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, In order to continue our traditions I would like to propose again the topic= of=20 recruitment, but this time not only limiting to the hobbyists market. We are definitely short on reviewers and thus have mostly overloaded=20 maintainers. =46or testers it's usually even worse - how many patches are actually teste= d? Judging from what I read on LKML not that many. So we should definitely discuss: =2D how can we encourage hobbyists to become regular contributors =2D- how to keep people interested, the drop-out rates are huge. =2D encourage regular contributors to become reviewers and testers =2D reviewers to become co-maintainers and finally maintainers (once the=20 original maintainer is used up or moves up/on) e.g. I think in the TPM subsystem we finally reached a good status, coming= =20 from having no active maintainer to a having at least a part-time maintaine= r=20 with a two steady and excellent reviewers which also test manually most of = the=20 stuff! =46rom the 4.1 kernel report by jon corbet: "over 60% of the changes going into this kernel passed through the hands of= =20 developers working for just five companies. This concentration reflects a=20 simple fact: while many companies are willing to support developers working= on=20 specific tasks, the number of companies supporting subsystem maintainers is= =20 far smaller. Subsystem maintainership is also, increasingly, not a job for= =20 volunteer developers.." =2D> How do we get companies to actively sponsor subsystem maintainership -= if=20 only at driver or subsubsystem level. e.g.: I unfortunately failed at that with my company :/ =2D> Or how can we raise more funds to sponsor subsystem maintainer ship e.= g.=20 via Linux Foundation.=20 (so that the maintainer atleast can buy some test-hardware) Also I would be interested in: =2D What are the effects of the Eudyptula Challenge? how many people are st= ill=20 actively contributing (more than whitespace changes) =2D What are the effects of the OutReachforWomen Program? how many people a= re=20 still actively contributing (more than whitespace changes) Nominations: Jason Cooper (auto-nominated), last years 'speaker' Greg KH please... ;-) Little Penguin Eudyptula Sarah Sharp OPW Peter Huewe Caught between hobbyist maintainer and sponsored dev. Wants to attend a KS :)