From: Peter Huewe <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>
To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Cc: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
Subject: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 01:21:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201507080121.41463.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> (raw)
Hi,
In order to continue our traditions I would like to propose again the topic of
recruitment, but this time not only limiting to the hobbyists market.
We are definitely short on reviewers and thus have mostly overloaded
maintainers.
For testers it's usually even worse - how many patches are actually tested?
Judging from what I read on LKML not that many.
So we should definitely discuss:
- how can we encourage hobbyists to become regular contributors
-- how to keep people interested, the drop-out rates are huge.
- encourage regular contributors to become reviewers and testers
- reviewers to become co-maintainers and finally maintainers (once the
original maintainer is used up or moves up/on)
e.g. I think in the TPM subsystem we finally reached a good status, coming
from having no active maintainer to a having at least a part-time maintainer
with a two steady and excellent reviewers which also test manually most of the
stuff!
From the 4.1 kernel report by jon corbet:
"over 60% of the changes going into this kernel passed through the hands of
developers working for just five companies. This concentration reflects a
simple fact: while many companies are willing to support developers working on
specific tasks, the number of companies supporting subsystem maintainers is
far smaller. Subsystem maintainership is also, increasingly, not a job for
volunteer developers.."
-> How do we get companies to actively sponsor subsystem maintainership - if
only at driver or subsubsystem level.
e.g.: I unfortunately failed at that with my company :/
-> Or how can we raise more funds to sponsor subsystem maintainer ship e.g.
via Linux Foundation.
(so that the maintainer atleast can buy some test-hardware)
Also I would be interested in:
- What are the effects of the Eudyptula Challenge? how many people are still
actively contributing (more than whitespace changes)
- What are the effects of the OutReachforWomen Program? how many people are
still actively contributing (more than whitespace changes)
Nominations:
Jason Cooper (auto-nominated), last years 'speaker'
Greg KH please... ;-)
Little Penguin Eudyptula
Sarah Sharp OPW
Peter Huewe Caught between hobbyist maintainer and sponsored dev.
Wants to attend a KS :)
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2015-07-07 23:21 Peter Huewe [this message]
2015-07-07 23:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 0:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 1:40 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00 ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11 8:32 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49 ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:26 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 9:39 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:38 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11 4:34 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10 8:19 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10 8:54 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 2:02 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 5:19 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 8:19 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05 7:48 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 0:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 2:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 0:35 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 2:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40 ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56 ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07 ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59 ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11 ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54 ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:13 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 2:39 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14 2:24 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 5:54 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 1:16 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16 1:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 1:42 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18 3:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 18:19 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16 ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 22:46 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16 16:28 ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16 ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 18:59 ` josh
2015-07-17 17:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-17 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 19:30 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-17 19:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:02 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-20 17:58 ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 18:26 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02 ` josh
2015-07-17 19:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:24 ` josh
2015-07-17 20:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:48 ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-19 22:40 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-19 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-20 2:34 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20 5:16 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20 5:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 7:15 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 8:48 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20 9:58 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:15 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 22:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-21 0:25 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-20 9:08 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20 7:08 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 8:27 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 20:30 ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 22:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 22:32 ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 23:03 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 23:49 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-21 6:08 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21 6:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-21 5:57 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 8:44 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20 9:23 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:04 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 10:30 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:09 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-21 2:00 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-21 6:00 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21 8:54 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 13:57 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-22 14:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 14:42 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:44 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 15:41 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 16:29 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-21 17:35 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-20 16:34 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-18 6:17 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-19 22:21 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-20 7:18 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:05 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 12:35 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-20 16:12 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 17:33 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-17 16:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 16:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 12:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-18 10:50 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-18 12:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 21:29 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-18 22:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 11:11 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 15:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:34 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 16:58 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 17:32 ` Christian Couder
2015-07-10 17:49 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:35 ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-10 22:49 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:18 ` Laura Abbott
2015-07-12 10:53 ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-11 9:31 ` [Ksummit-discuss] checkpatch.pl stuff Dan Carpenter
2015-07-11 11:34 ` Heiko Carstens
2015-07-11 12:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 13:42 ` Joe Perches
2015-07-08 14:20 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Bjorn Helgaas
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2015-07-08 15:20 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 19:19 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-08 19:48 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 3:56 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 11:05 ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-14 5:41 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-14 10:11 ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-08 16:43 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 18:08 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 0:16 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 18:06 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 19:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 19:35 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 1:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08 1:14 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 1:49 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 3:40 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-08 7:08 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08 2:03 ` Krzysztof Kozłowski
2015-07-08 7:04 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08 7:52 ` jic23
2015-07-08 9:52 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 12:42 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-08 15:02 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 16:36 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 18:05 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:09 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 19:21 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:35 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 15:43 ` John W. Linville
2015-07-12 19:37 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 2:11 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 7:52 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-08 11:07 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 11:43 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 18:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:11 ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 19:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 8:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-08 7:37 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-08 8:00 ` jic23
2015-07-08 9:57 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 18:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 20:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 21:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-09 17:50 ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-08 20:08 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 4:06 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-09 18:28 ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-09 18:53 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:23 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 19:47 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 20:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 21:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 23:13 ` josh
2015-07-09 23:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 20:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 21:04 ` josh
2015-07-26 23:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-10 18:20 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-10 18:32 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 18:58 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:24 ` Guenter
2015-07-10 21:14 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11 0:52 ` Guenter
2015-07-13 19:28 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11 1:04 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 21:00 ` josh
2015-07-11 1:06 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 20:23 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 20:48 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:52 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:44 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 21:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-09 19:39 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:21 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-09 21:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 0:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 1:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 1:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 3:13 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 18:14 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-11 1:00 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-12 3:48 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-12 5:23 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 12:28 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-13 14:20 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 14:33 ` Jan Kara
2015-07-13 16:28 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 17:58 ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 4:38 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-14 5:56 ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 7:00 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 15:16 ` Greg KH
2015-07-14 15:52 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-14 18:04 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 18:01 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-12 15:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 14:07 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:29 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 22:18 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 23:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-12 19:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 15:09 ` John W. Linville
2015-07-09 17:45 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 18:08 ` John W. Linville
2015-07-10 13:07 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 18:37 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-09 19:02 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 13:03 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 17:55 ` Mark Brown
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