From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: "Bird, Tim" <Tim.Bird@sonymobile.com>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: Kernel tinification - kernel config reduction
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:54:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140814185427.GB18743@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F5184659D418E34EA12B1903EE5EF5FD0130D4AC5B90@seldmbx02.corpusers.net>
On Wed 13-08-14 19:29:21, Bird, Tim wrote:
> I'd like to raise an issue, ahead of the kernel summit, on the topic of reducing
> kernel config options. (Or, at least, reducing the combinatorial explosion effect
> for config options).
>
> Earlier this year when some patches were submitted to make the network
> stack more configurable, there was some pushback, due (in part) to the
> introduction of more kernel config options.
> See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1696910
> I think it is reasonable to be concerned over the testability of myriad config
> options.
>
> In the past, there have been efforts to curb the number of kernel config
> options, but since we now stand at about 15,000 options throughout the
> kernel, this seems like a battle we've mostly given up on.
>
> I propose that we remove or hide a lot of the configuration options related
> to size, and instead focus on size profiles. When someone wants to build a
> minimal Linux system, they don't really want to manually trim down every
> Linux sub-system. The more common development case is that they want
> a fully minimal Linux system, except for one or two areas where they want
> some flexibility in features. I propose that we tie most of the options that
> are currently in the kernel for size reasons to a single or a few meta-options:
> e.g. CONFIG_SMALL, CONFIG_TINY, CONFIG_RIDICULOUS. These
> different meta-config options can get better testing, and this will help curb
> the proliferation of size-related config options (and the resulting test
> combination explosion for those individual options.)
>
> Note that this would be for sub-system related (feature or size) config options,
> and not driver-related config options. Obviously, you have to have drivers
> for the hardware you plan to run on.
>
> Optimally it would be nice to have the ability to configure a small system, and
> then "back off" of the tiny config in a particular area (say networking).
> I believe this would yield a much more tractable system for building small
> systems with Linux, than the current situation.
This somewhat reminds me a problem of selecting packages when
installing a distro. There you can select different "patterns", where each
pattern selects a set of packages. Then you can go and enable / disable
individual packages if you care about fine-tuning the configuration. The
patterns are like "Minimal system", "Minimal X System", "KDE Desktop",
"Office suite", ... I think we could use a similar system for Kconfig.
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-14 18:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-13 17:29 Bird, Tim
2014-08-13 18:07 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-08-13 19:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-08-13 22:45 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-08-14 0:14 ` Mark Brown
2014-08-14 0:38 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-08-14 15:33 ` Mark Brown
2014-08-14 7:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-08-14 16:39 ` Mark Brown
2014-08-14 7:40 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-08-14 8:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-08-14 9:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-08-15 11:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-08-14 19:57 ` Stefan Hengelein
2014-08-13 19:19 ` josh
2014-08-14 16:30 ` Tim Bird
2014-08-14 17:17 ` Josh Triplett
2014-08-14 16:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-08-14 18:54 ` Jan Kara [this message]
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