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From: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Redesign Memory Management layer and more core subsystem
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:39:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140616133932.7f8e6bbe@free-electrons.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1406131338520.8092@gentwo.org>

Dear Christoph Lameter,

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:41:12 -0500 (CDT), Christoph Lameter wrote:

> > The point here is that lots of people say "just get your operating
> > system out of my way" most realise they actually didn't mean it when
> > presented with the reality.
> 
> Right. Exactly. What I would like to see is the OS doing its part to make
> things nice and provide a convenient abstraction of the ugly details.
> 
> > The abstractions most people who say this want are a zero delay data
> > path with someone else taking care of all of the metadata and setup
> > problems ... effectively a MPI type interface.  Is that what you're
> > looking for, Christoph?
> 
> Ideally the setup/metadata should be handled by the OS while the data
> path would go direct. The get-out-of-the-way piece is restricted only to
> the performance critical portion which is the actual data transfer.

I might be completely out of topic here, but this very much sounds like
what is happening for graphics. There is a DRM/KMS kernel side, which
does all the mode setting, context allocation and things like that, and
then all the rest takes place in userspace, using hardware-specific
pieces of code in libdrm and other components of the graphics stack.

If we translate that to networking, there would be a need to have all
of the setup/initialization done in the kernel, and then some
hardware-specific userspace libraries to use for the data path.

Thomas
-- 
Thomas Petazzoni, CTO, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-16 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-11 19:03 Christoph Lameter
2014-06-11 19:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2014-06-11 19:45 ` Greg KH
2014-06-12 13:35   ` John W. Linville
2014-06-13 16:57     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 17:31       ` Greg KH
2014-06-13 17:59         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 19:18           ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-06-13 22:30             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 16:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 17:30     ` Greg KH
2014-06-13 17:55       ` James Bottomley
2014-06-13 18:41         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-16 11:39           ` Thomas Petazzoni [this message]
2014-06-16 14:05             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-16 14:09               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-06-16 14:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 18:01       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 18:25         ` Greg KH
2014-06-13 18:54           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-11 20:08 ` josh
2014-06-11 20:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-11 20:52 ` Dave Hansen
2014-06-12  6:59 ` Phillip Lougher
2014-06-13 17:02   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-13 21:36     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-06-13 22:23       ` Rik van Riel
2014-06-13 23:04       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-14  1:19     ` Phillip Lougher
2014-06-16 14:04       ` Christoph Lameter

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