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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
To: "Lukáš Czerner" <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:57:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140528135732.GB2649@katana> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1405281158180.2075@localhost.localdomain>

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> > > That does not make much sense to me. In order to review the code you
> > > need to understand it and if you already understand the code, you
> > > can write it as well.
> > 
> > Huh, have you ever maintained something? I couldn't write most of the
> > drivers I get for I2C, because I simply don't have access to the
> > hardware.
> 
> But the lack of HW was the one thing stopping you right ? Not the
> lack of skills or knowledge.

Lack of time is another one. And lack of interest a third one. Unlike
the casual developer, I'd like to work more on the core and
infrastructure than on drivers.

> I am just saying that it's quite likely
> that there are even less people with the skills who are willing to be
> dedicated to review than developers who are willing to review
> patches from time to time.

Right. And give those rare bunch some money to focus on this kind of
work (opposed to stuff like board bringup) is what I am proposing.

> > Then, think more of dedicated maintainers: I don't know one maintainer
> > who is not interested in hacking as well. Which is needed, of course.
> > There are reviews which make flaws in the subsystem core obvious.
> > Usually, the original patch comitter is only interested in this reviewed
> > patch and does not want to deal with the core. So, this kind of work is
> > up to the maintainer. If maintainers are backed off, more of this work
> > could be done IMO.
> 
> Are you suggesting that existing maintainers should either stop
> hacking, or give up maintainership in favour of those who does not
> want to write code ? :) Sorry for exaggerating, but I do not think
> that having people dedicated solely to review is realistic.

I think we are missing each other here. Maintaining is not only
reviewing but also keeping the core in shape. There is quite some
hacking involved if done properly.

> We should rather focus on encouraging developers to review more.

That is a good, helpful thing. Yet, from my experience it won't scale
enough. I'd be happy to be wrong here, though.

Regards,

   Wolfram


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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-28 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-24  9:53 James Bottomley
2014-05-24 11:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 19:18   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-25  4:56     ` NeilBrown
2014-05-25  4:57     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 15:41       ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 16:05         ` mark gross
2014-05-30 16:45           ` Guenter Roeck
2014-06-01 14:05           ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25  8:59     ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-26 12:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 12:52         ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-27 17:27   ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-27 22:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 22:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-27 23:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 14:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 14:32         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 14:39           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 16:39             ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 16:51               ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 17:35                 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 17:44                   ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 18:38                     ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 21:32                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29  9:28                         ` Li Zefan
2014-05-29 17:41                           ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  2:41                             ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 17:28                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-30 23:40                               ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 16:49                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-01  8:36                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-31 23:30                               ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 18:43                         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 22:48               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 23:17                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 18:45                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29  7:35             ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 16:05         ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:37           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:50             ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:20         ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:28           ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-28 17:05             ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-05-28 21:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-28 23:31               ` josh
2014-05-28 23:55                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29  0:39                 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29  0:47                   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29  0:52                     ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29  6:13                 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-29 18:58                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 23:34                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  2:23                     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30  4:26                     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30  5:02                       ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  5:33                         ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 14:14                           ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 16:40                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:43                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:56                           ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers (was: Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 19:54                             ` Shuah Khan
2014-06-02 12:00                               ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-30 20:50                             ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-31  1:44                             ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers Li Zefan
2014-05-31  1:54                               ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-31  2:21                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 22:53                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-31  2:07                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31  3:52                                 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31  4:08                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 23:47                           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers Greg KH
2014-05-30 11:17                       ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-31 21:05                         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-29 10:31                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-29 18:36                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-29 15:32                 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28  5:37     ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-28 10:06       ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-28 13:57         ` Wolfram Sang [this message]
2014-05-24 14:24 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-26 12:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-24 15:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-05-24 17:31   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-25  4:15     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-05-26 12:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 18:21     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-25  4:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-25  8:53   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-25  9:11     ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-27  8:16     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-25  9:09   ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 22:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-26 15:53   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 14:39     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-27 20:53       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 21:22         ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28  0:10           ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-28  0:30             ` Greg KH
2014-05-28 23:25             ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:32               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 23:47                 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29  4:01               ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29  5:17                 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 23:56                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 23:59                     ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29  0:35             ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-29  4:36               ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 16:46               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-29 21:57                 ` Frank Rowand
2014-05-29 23:12                   ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28  1:10           ` NeilBrown
2014-05-28  5:11           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 12:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 18:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 20:15   ` josh
2014-05-29  2:15   ` Rob Herring
2014-05-29  3:34     ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-30  0:52       ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-29  8:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2014-05-30  0:47     ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30  0:51     ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 18:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Reforming Acked-by (was Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 19:11   ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 19:15     ` John W. Linville
2014-05-28 19:51       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-30 14:59       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:10         ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 21:10           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 21:30             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-02  2:43             ` Randy Dunlap
2014-06-02  2:53               ` NeilBrown
2014-06-02  3:01                 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-28 19:49   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 20:12   ` josh
2014-05-28 20:22     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:02       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-28 23:18         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:29           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 14:44             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-29 14:59               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 16:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-30 10:58                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 15:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-29 18:27   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-29 21:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 21:03       ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-29 23:30         ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  1:12           ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30  5:04             ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  5:39               ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 11:30                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-30 23:39                 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 10:08           ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 13:07             ` Jan Kara
2014-05-30 13:41               ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 15:22               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-31  1:30                 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 14:34           ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30  0:55         ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 15:17         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:06       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 21:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-30 21:29           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 22:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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