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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
To: "Lukáš Czerner" <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 07:37:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140528053749.GA2649@katana> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1405271920580.2055@localhost.localdomain>

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> > The thing I'd like to see way more in the Linux ecosystem:
> > 
> > Paid reviewers/maintainers (selected people, no hiring offers). The
> > number of developers increases faster than the number of quality
> > keepers. So, the latter should be given the chance to focus on it, if
> > they want to.
> 
> That does not make much sense to me. In order to review the code you
> need to understand it and if you already understand the code, you
> can write it as well.

Huh, have you ever maintained something? I couldn't write most of the
drivers I get for I2C, because I simply don't have access to the
hardware. Also, I it is one thing to get the driver working (dealing
with HW bugs and documentation flaws) and another to get the driver
proper (use proper kernal interfaces, coding style...).

> I do not think that having dedicated reviewers is realistic in the
> long run.

Then, think more of dedicated maintainers: I don't know one maintainer
who is not interested in hacking as well. Which is needed, of course.
There are reviews which make flaws in the subsystem core obvious.
Usually, the original patch comitter is only interested in this reviewed
patch and does not want to deal with the core. So, this kind of work is
up to the maintainer. If maintainers are backed off, more of this work
could be done IMO.

> However encouraging reviewers by treating reviewed-by tag with equal
> "respect" as signed-off-by seems like the better way.

In general, yes. As I said before, "Reviewed-by" tags need to be trusted
what also takes some time and effort in the beginning.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-28  5:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-24  9:53 James Bottomley
2014-05-24 11:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 19:18   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-25  4:56     ` NeilBrown
2014-05-25  4:57     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 15:41       ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 16:05         ` mark gross
2014-05-30 16:45           ` Guenter Roeck
2014-06-01 14:05           ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25  8:59     ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-26 12:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 12:52         ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-27 17:27   ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-27 22:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 22:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-27 23:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 14:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 14:32         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 14:39           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 16:39             ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 16:51               ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 17:35                 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 17:44                   ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 18:38                     ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 21:32                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29  9:28                         ` Li Zefan
2014-05-29 17:41                           ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  2:41                             ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 17:28                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-30 23:40                               ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 16:49                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-01  8:36                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-31 23:30                               ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 18:43                         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 22:48               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 23:17                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 18:45                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29  7:35             ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 16:05         ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:37           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:50             ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:20         ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:28           ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-28 17:05             ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-05-28 21:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-28 23:31               ` josh
2014-05-28 23:55                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29  0:39                 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29  0:47                   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29  0:52                     ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29  6:13                 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-29 18:58                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 23:34                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  2:23                     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30  4:26                     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30  5:02                       ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  5:33                         ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 14:14                           ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 16:40                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:43                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:56                           ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers (was: Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 19:54                             ` Shuah Khan
2014-06-02 12:00                               ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-30 20:50                             ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-31  1:44                             ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers Li Zefan
2014-05-31  1:54                               ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-31  2:21                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 22:53                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-31  2:07                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31  3:52                                 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31  4:08                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 23:47                           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers Greg KH
2014-05-30 11:17                       ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-31 21:05                         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-29 10:31                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-29 18:36                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-29 15:32                 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28  5:37     ` Wolfram Sang [this message]
2014-05-28 10:06       ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-28 13:57         ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 14:24 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-26 12:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-24 15:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-05-24 17:31   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-25  4:15     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-05-26 12:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 18:21     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-25  4:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-25  8:53   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-25  9:11     ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-27  8:16     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-25  9:09   ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 22:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-26 15:53   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 14:39     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-27 20:53       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 21:22         ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28  0:10           ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-28  0:30             ` Greg KH
2014-05-28 23:25             ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:32               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 23:47                 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29  4:01               ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29  5:17                 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 23:56                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 23:59                     ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29  0:35             ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-29  4:36               ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 16:46               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-29 21:57                 ` Frank Rowand
2014-05-29 23:12                   ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28  1:10           ` NeilBrown
2014-05-28  5:11           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 12:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 18:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 20:15   ` josh
2014-05-29  2:15   ` Rob Herring
2014-05-29  3:34     ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-30  0:52       ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-29  8:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2014-05-30  0:47     ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30  0:51     ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 18:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Reforming Acked-by (was Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 19:11   ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 19:15     ` John W. Linville
2014-05-28 19:51       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-30 14:59       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:10         ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 21:10           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 21:30             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-02  2:43             ` Randy Dunlap
2014-06-02  2:53               ` NeilBrown
2014-06-02  3:01                 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-28 19:49   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 20:12   ` josh
2014-05-28 20:22     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:02       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-28 23:18         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:29           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 14:44             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-29 14:59               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 16:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-30 10:58                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 15:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-29 18:27   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-29 21:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 21:03       ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-29 23:30         ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  1:12           ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30  5:04             ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  5:39               ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 11:30                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-30 23:39                 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 10:08           ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 13:07             ` Jan Kara
2014-05-30 13:41               ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 15:22               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-31  1:30                 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 14:34           ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30  0:55         ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 15:17         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:06       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 21:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-30 21:29           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 22:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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