From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] kernel testing standard
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 09:32:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140523133200.GY8664@titan.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <537F3551.2070104@hitachi.com>
Masami,
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 08:47:29PM +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
> Issue:
> There are many ways to test the kernel but it's neither well documented
> nor standardized/organized.
>
> As you may know, testing kernel is important on each phase of kernel
> life-cycle. For example, even at the designing phase, actual test-case
> shows us what the new feature/design does, how is will work, and how
> to use it. This can improve the quality of the discussion.
>
> Through the previous discussion I realized there are many different methods/
> tools/functions for testing kernel, LTP, trinity, tools/testing/selftest,
> in-kernel selftest etc. Each has good points and bad points.
* automated boot testing (embedded platforms)
* runtime testing
A lot of development that we see is embedded platforms using
cross-compilers. That makes a whole lot of tests impossible to run on
the host. Especially when it deals with hardware interaction. So
run-time testing definitely needs to be a part of the discussion.
The boot farms that Kevin and Olof run currently tests booting to a
command prompt. We're catching a lot of regressions before they hit
mainline, which is great. But I'd like to see how we can extend that.
And yes, I know those farms are saturated, and we need to bring
something else on line to do more functional testing, Perhaps break up
the testing load: boot-test linux-next, and runtime tests of the -rcX
tags and stable tags.
> So, I'd like to discuss how we can standardize them for each subsystem
> at this kernel summit.
>
> My suggestion are,
> - Organizing existing in-tree kernel test frameworks (as "make test")
> - Documenting the standard testing method, including how to run,
> how to add test-cases, and how to report.
> - Commenting standard testing for each subsystem, maybe by adding
> UT: or TS: tags to MAINTAINERS, which describes the URL of
> out-of-tree tests or the directory of the selftest.
- classify testing into functional, performance, or stress
- possibly security/fuzzing
> Note that I don't tend to change the ways to test for subsystems which
> already have own tests, but organize it for who wants to get involved in
> and/or to evaluate it. :-)
And make it clear what type of testing it is. "Well, I ran make test"
on a patch affecting performance is no good if the test for that area is
purely functional.
On the stress-testing front, there's a great paper [1] on how to
stress-test software destined for deep space. Definitely worth the
read. And directly applicable to more than deep space satellites.
> I think we can strongly request developers to add test-cases for new features
> if we standardize the testing method.
>
> Suggested participants: greg k.h., Li Zefan, test-tool maintainers and
> subsystem maintainers.
+ Fenguang Wu, Kevin Hilman, Olof Johansson
thx,
Jason.
[1] http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/the_mission/publications/Hill.2007.pdf
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-23 13:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-23 11:47 Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-23 13:32 ` Jason Cooper [this message]
2014-05-23 16:24 ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-23 16:35 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-23 16:36 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-23 18:10 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-23 18:36 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-23 18:06 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-23 18:32 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-23 14:05 ` Justin M. Forbes
2014-05-23 16:04 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-24 0:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-24 1:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-26 11:33 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-30 18:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 20:59 ` Kees Cook
2014-05-30 22:53 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-06-04 13:51 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-26 17:08 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-26 18:21 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 15:37 ` Mel Gorman
2014-05-28 18:57 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 12:07 ` Linus Walleij
2014-06-05 0:23 ` Greg KH
2014-06-05 6:54 ` Mel Gorman
2014-06-05 8:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-05 8:44 ` chrubis
2014-06-05 8:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-06-05 11:17 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-05 11:58 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-06-06 9:10 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-05 14:10 ` James Bottomley
2014-06-06 9:17 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-09 14:44 ` chrubis
2014-06-09 17:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-06-05 8:39 ` chrubis
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