From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331E0523 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 02:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A64B1FD4A for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 02:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 22:50:01 -0400 From: Jason Cooper To: "H. Peter Anvin" Message-ID: <20140516025001.GU27822@titan.lakedaemon.net> References: <5367D989.1000504@linaro.org> <1399581426.11946.12.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> <20140509151043.GC15523@thunk.org> <4440149.cMfuUKn6MV@wuerfel> <20140509223315.GA5725@thin> <536D6FE2.5050503@zytor.com> <20140515121859.BEC80C40B0E@trevor.secretlab.ca> <5374F758.7020204@zytor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5374F758.7020204@zytor.com> Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, John Stultz Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Dealing with 2038 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:20:24AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > On 05/15/2014 05:18 AM, Grant Likely wrote: > > > > And yet still, once deployed will never get updated. :-( > > > > That is a whole separate problem. I'm not quite convinced that it will > work that way... maybe ubiquitous upgrades will be a solved problem by then. With the infrastructure to support verification, which brings in key management. Otherwise, it'll be an easy attack surface. I'm not optimistic... The alternative is to make the devices so trivially disposable that outdated/vulnerable devices are rejected from the network. The user then orders a replacement. thx, Jason.