From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF8248E for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 21:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f47.google.com (mail-ee0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A80CE200A7 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 21:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f47.google.com with SMTP id c13so998031eek.20 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Levente Kurusa Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 23:13:59 +0200 From: Levente Kurusa To: "H. Peter Anvin" , Josh Boyer Message-ID: <20140515211359.GB10395@linux.com> References: <20140512164921.GB3509@linux.com> <53710053.4040100@zytor.com> <20140513112525.GB10733@kroah.com> <20140513150520.GA15857@kroah.com> <20140513160743.GA11391@thunk.org> <53751466.1030401@zytor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53751466.1030401@zytor.com> Cc: PJ Waskiewicz , Sarah A Sharp , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Anton Arapov , Dirk Hohndel , Jason Cooper Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] QR encoded oops for the kernel List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:24:22PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > On 05/13/2014 09:07 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > I'll note this discussion has started mutating to a more general "how > > do we get more useful bug reports in front of developers", which I > > think is a good thing. > >=20 > > However, I'm still not sure how useful it would be to have a tech > > topic (or a core topic) dedicated to the matter, because we've had > > discussions about and at the end of the day, what's probably really > > necessary is to have someone, or a small team, dedicated all or most > > of their time to: > >=20 > > a) improving kerneloops.org > > b) finding interesting patterns in the bulk reported data, and then > > forwarding that on to developers > > c) finding ways of automating (b) > >=20 > > QR encoded oops might be a means towards that end, but there might be > > other things that could be done as well. > >=20 > > If someone were to *do* all of this work, then reporting on it and > > then asking for suggestions about how this service could be improved, > > might make a great tech topic. > >=20 > > But in the absence of that, can folks suggest ways that this doesn't > > turn into a "I know, let's put a bell on the cat!" sort of discussion > > that doesn't lead to anything useful? > >=20 >=20 > A workflow discussion for gathering fault information in general *might* > be useful, but I'm not sure we have the right people for it. As far as > I understand, kerneloops.org pretty much lost its usefulness when Fedora > (and other distros?) stopped participating and redirected to their own > internal sites. Looking at oops.kernel.org, one of the top guilties is Fedora. Also, looking at the ABRT FAQ it still seems to send the OOPSes to the site. So, I guess Fedora didn't stop sending them. But maybe, Josh knows better? I am not sure if the site has lost any of its usefulness. It still has a DB of ~4K oopses in May already. What I think is the problem, is that maintainers barely look at it. I think there are numerous reasons behind that, and I see a lot of improvements could be made there. Regarding the wrong people. While we could not be the best people to discuss this with, we are the ones, at least I am, who are *willing* to do some work on the core error reporting and gathering parts of the kernel. Thanks, Levente Kurusa --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTdS4XAAoJELBqK2lO9dZBOakIAIBC2ghRDR1IYb5lv79ImbZ0 h1MEw0D3UjnAyVZQruLymjXdBmN1Rhl1Gw1RqZ/r2B5ayJw9hsfwFnYpp4/yuPAO Cdvv+mpdH/24I9SaLgvHwD/rSN1E6V7YClZ7Wl0w/Vy+cIFEfzbgieWH97aS//uc gAQ0a+Tudl3fldZA0WA+3aeqVbxf/jFC189KWFbk7kHtvpp23ILTIfGe7RYtNr76 24yAzmsb1qMjifXB1zwqmRRgMeYcM/MQ9cOOFsAQ0XjUeMlggsjJUCPPQkjSds+d dcrnABvGobmkHNi0EQqxcV+6CjBlUjofh5hxQOsaeWDI8OdTUgCu6XSiCct2+xQ= =jqUD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw--