From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA996A8A for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 16:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED49C2033D for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id bj1so7712740pad.27 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:08:53 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Andrew Lunn Message-ID: <20140512090853.7ba61854@nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net> In-Reply-To: <20140512135836.GD3378@lunn.ch> References: <20140511053037.GQ12708@titan.lakedaemon.net> <536FBA0E.5090301@gmail.com> <20140511190752.GC2527@linux.com> <20140511192630.GA14115@kroah.com> <20140511195011.GD2527@linux.com> <536FDE91.3050708@xs4all.nl> <20140512083825.GB2665@katana> <20140512135836.GD3378@lunn.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jason Cooper , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] hobbyist recruiting List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , My impression is that although a small number of new developers come from the hobbyist ranks, the large majority come from companies that are developing products that use Linux. As Greg says if the hobbyist contributes they get hired up by some company in today's market. I would be interested in hearing success and failures of others in getting these corporate developers to contribute and get involved upstream. It can be a management issue, it could be personal fears or it could be cultural but in my experience many talented people still shy away from contributing to any upstream project. In my world, the problem isn't hobbyist recruiting but internal recruiting; and keeping the good people contributing instead of going off to other projects.