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From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
	lizf.kern@gmail.com, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable issues
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:31:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140505113127.GJ28159@titan.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <536709BA.7070809@roeck-us.net>

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 08:47:06PM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> This may be seen as somewhat strong definition of the term "severe",
> but in my work environment the attitude is to never update the kernel under
> any circumstances. Or, in other words, it is quite hostile to someone who
> advocates following upstream kernel releases. Each new bug, as minor as it
> may be in a practical sense, is seen as argument (or ammunition) against
> kernel updates. Note that this specifically includes performance regressions,
> as minor as they may be. Given that, I would love to see Fengguang's
> performance tests run on stable releases, simply because that would give me
> confidence (and proof) that no performance regressions were introduced.

Along this line, I keep coming back to an idea that I really need to
implement.  Say your shop is running v3.12.3, and you'd like to migrate
to v3.12.7 because of a bugfix for your subsystem.

I imagine it would make the argument easier if you could quantify the
changes from v3.12.3 to v3.12.7 relevant to your kernel config.  eg:

$ git diff v3.12.3..v3.12.7 | ./scripts/diff-filter mydefconfig

(no, diff-filter doesn't exist, yet)

I could also see using ./scripts/objdiff for this as well.  Anything
that would help the engineer quantify the differences between the two
releases so he could ask the question, "Show me *which* change you're
uncomfortable with."

That's a much better position to be in than, "I swear, the -stable
process is legit.  You can trust a bunch of people you've never met who
won't suffer any repercussions if our product fails."

This assumes a fairly minimal config, of course.  ;-)

thx,

Jason.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-05 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-04 11:19 Li Zefan
2014-05-04 12:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-04 12:54 ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-04 14:26   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-05  0:37     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-05  3:09       ` Li Zefan
2014-05-05  3:47       ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-05 11:31         ` Jason Cooper [this message]
2014-05-05 13:40           ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-05  6:10       ` Michal Simek
2014-05-05  2:47   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-05 13:41     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-05 15:23       ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-05 15:39         ` Jan Kara
2014-05-05 16:02           ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-05 16:07             ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-05 16:17               ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-05 22:33       ` Greg KH
2014-05-06  3:20         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-06  4:04           ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-06 10:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-05  3:22   ` Greg KH
2014-05-04 15:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-04 15:45   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-05  3:00   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-05  1:03 ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-07  2:49 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07  2:58   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-07  8:27     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07  8:39       ` Matt Fleming
2014-05-07 11:45         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07 12:45           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-08  3:20             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-09 12:32               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-12  6:55                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-13 20:36                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-13 20:40                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-14  1:30                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07 18:40       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-07  9:06     ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-07 14:15       ` Jan Kara
2014-05-08  3:38         ` Li Zefan
2014-05-08  9:41           ` Jan Kara
2014-05-08 20:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09  4:11               ` Greg KH
2014-05-09  5:33                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-09  5:41                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-07  3:05   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-07  3:31     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07  7:20     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-13 20:46     ` Steven Rostedt

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