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On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 05:01:23PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> This is starting to tread into the other thread about userspace
> mandating 'optional' facilities, but is that even a problem, given
> the proliferation of init's (taking the systemd example).

For the record, there is no "other thread" because as Jiri pointed out
(and I agree) it's not at all clear there's anything we as kernel
developers can do about this.  Once some kind of system call interface
is made available in mainline, it's not at all realistic to say that
"it's only for this use case".

If someone thinks that it might be worthwhile to start such a thread
and/or propose that that might be a worthy topic for the kernel
summit, feel free to start such a thread --- but I'd suggest doing so
after coming up with a proposed solution to how we could even
influence what facilities various bits of userspace might want to
mandate.

Cheers,

					- Ted