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From: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: Sarah Sharp <sarah@minilop.net>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 13:11:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140502171103.GA725@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140502164438.GA1423@jtriplet-mobl1>

On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 09:44:42AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
 
 > Topics:
 > - Kconfig, and avoiding excessive configurability in the pursuit of tiny
 > - Optimizing a kernel for its exact target userspace.
 > - Examples of shrinking the kernel

Something that's partially related here: Making stuff optional
reduces attack surface the kernel presents. We're starting to grow
more and more CONFIG options to disable syscalls. I'd like to hear
peoples reactions on introducing even more optionality in this area.

I first started thinking about this at LSF/MM where the subject of
sys_remap_file_pages came up. "What even uses this?" "hardly anything".
But for all the users that don't need it, there's this syscall always
built in that does horrible things with VM internals.  It's fortunate
that there hasn't been anything particularly awful beyond simple DoS
bugs in r_f_p.

Distribution kernels are in the sad position of having to always enable
this stuff, but at least for people building their own kernels, or
kernels for appliances, we could make their lives a little better by
not even building this stuff in.

I had a patch to make this particular syscall a cond_syscall, but then
XFS ate my homework and I haven't had chance to revisit this.
So, my questions are:
- are there other obvious syscalls we could make optional without userspace
  freaking out when they suddenly start getting ENOSYS ?
- how much configurability here is too much ?
  r_f_p was an obvious candidate because it's.. well, nasty.  Some of the
  more straightforward syscalls may not be such a big deal, but then we
  have CONFIG's for kcmp and other 'simple' syscalls already..

thoughts?

	Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-02 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02 16:44 Josh Triplett
2014-05-02 17:11 ` Dave Jones [this message]
2014-05-02 17:20   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 17:33     ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 17:46       ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 18:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-02 19:02           ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 19:03           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-02 19:33             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-02 19:38               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 19:49               ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 20:06                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:41                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-02 21:01                   ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 21:19                     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 21:23                       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 21:36                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 21:27                       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 21:39                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 22:35                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-06 17:18                             ` josh
2014-05-06 17:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09 18:22                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-09 20:37                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09 22:50                                     ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-10  0:23                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-10  0:38                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-10  3:44                                         ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-03 17:30                           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 21:56                     ` tytso
2014-05-02 20:45                 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-02 21:03                   ` Dave Jones
2014-05-03 13:37                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 13:35                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 13:32               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-02 19:03       ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 19:45         ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-02 21:03           ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 21:08             ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 21:14               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-02 21:21               ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-02 21:38                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-03  1:21               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-07 12:35             ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-09 15:51               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 17:33     ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-02 17:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-07 11:32     ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-07 16:38       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 22:04   ` Jan Kara
2014-05-05 23:45   ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-06  2:14     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-09 16:22   ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-09 16:59     ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-09 17:23       ` josh
2014-05-08 15:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-12 17:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-13 16:36 ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-13 18:00   ` josh
2014-05-14  1:04   ` Julia Lawall
2014-08-17  9:45 ` [Ksummit-discuss] tiny.wiki.kernel.org Josh Triplett
2014-05-08 16:24 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09  0:31 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09 14:48   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 16:24     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 16:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 17:21         ` josh
2014-05-09 17:42         ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09 17:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 18:32             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 19:02               ` Julia Lawall
2014-05-09 20:31                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 17:52           ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-05-12 18:06         ` Dave Hansen
2014-05-12 20:20           ` Roland Dreier
2014-05-14  2:37   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-15 19:41     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-15 20:00       ` Greg KH
2014-05-15 20:29         ` Guenter Roeck

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