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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Cc: Sarah Sharp <sarah@minilop.net>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Subject: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 09:44:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140502164438.GA1423@jtriplet-mobl1> (raw)

Over time, the Linux kernel has grown far more featureful, but it has
also grown significantly larger, even with all the optional features
turned off.  For the last several years, I've been working to make the
kernel smaller, and mentoring/coordinating projects to do the same, to
enable ridiculously small embedded applications and other fun uses.  I'd
like to discuss that work at Kernel Summit, get size regressions on the
radar of kernel developers and subsystem maintainers, and solicit
discussion on future possibilities to shrink the kernel further.

Topics:
- An overview of why the kernel's size still matters today ("but don't
  we all have tons of memory and storage?")
- Tiny in RAM versus tiny on storage.
- How much the kernel has grown over time.
- How size regressions happen and how to avoid them
- Size measurement, bloat-o-meter, allnoconfig, and other tools
- Compression and the decompression stub
- Kconfig, and avoiding excessive configurability in the pursuit of tiny
- Optimizing a kernel for its exact target userspace.
- Examples of shrinking the kernel
- Discussion on proposed ways to make the kernel tiny, how much they
  might save, how much work they'd require, and how to implement them
  with minimal impact to the un-shrunken common case.

After the session, I'll prepare and maintain a detailed summary of the
proposed ideas, ordered by how much space they'd save versus how much
work they'd be.  I plan to maintain that list on an ongoing basis, to
coordinate tinification projects for ongoing work by people working on
embedded applications, and for the benefit of mentorship projects such
as OPW and SoC.

The set of people on the CC list would be good to have at the
discussion.  I marked this as "CORE TOPIC", but I'd also be happy to
discuss it on the dual-track day if that's preferable.

(I'm currenly on the auto-generated nomination list.)

- Josh Triplett

             reply	other threads:[~2014-05-02 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02 16:44 Josh Triplett [this message]
2014-05-02 17:11 ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 17:20   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 17:33     ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 17:46       ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 18:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-02 19:02           ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 19:03           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-02 19:33             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-02 19:38               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 19:49               ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 20:06                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:41                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-02 21:01                   ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 21:19                     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 21:23                       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 21:36                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 21:27                       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 21:39                         ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 22:35                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-06 17:18                             ` josh
2014-05-06 17:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09 18:22                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-09 20:37                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-09 22:50                                     ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-10  0:23                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-10  0:38                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-10  3:44                                         ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-03 17:30                           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 21:56                     ` tytso
2014-05-02 20:45                 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-02 21:03                   ` Dave Jones
2014-05-03 13:37                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 13:35                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 13:32               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-02 19:03       ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 19:45         ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-02 21:03           ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 21:08             ` Dave Jones
2014-05-02 21:14               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-02 21:21               ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-02 21:38                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-03  1:21               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-07 12:35             ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-09 15:51               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 17:33     ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-02 17:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-07 11:32     ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-07 16:38       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-02 22:04   ` Jan Kara
2014-05-05 23:45   ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-06  2:14     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-09 16:22   ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-09 16:59     ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-09 17:23       ` josh
2014-05-08 15:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-12 17:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-13 16:36 ` Bird, Tim
2014-05-13 18:00   ` josh
2014-05-14  1:04   ` Julia Lawall
2014-08-17  9:45 ` [Ksummit-discuss] tiny.wiki.kernel.org Josh Triplett
2014-05-08 16:24 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Kernel tinification: shrinking the kernel and avoiding size regressions Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09  0:31 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09 14:48   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 16:24     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 16:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 17:21         ` josh
2014-05-09 17:42         ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09 17:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-09 18:32             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 19:02               ` Julia Lawall
2014-05-09 20:31                 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-09 17:52           ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-05-12 18:06         ` Dave Hansen
2014-05-12 20:20           ` Roland Dreier
2014-05-14  2:37   ` Li Zefan
2014-05-15 19:41     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-15 20:00       ` Greg KH
2014-05-15 20:29         ` Guenter Roeck

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