From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FEF3696A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA5E96CE for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Laurent Pinchart To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 20:18:26 +0300 Message-ID: <1814283.64diKEr4zR@avalon> In-Reply-To: <20181007113514.GA21217@localhost> References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181007113514.GA21217@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Josh, On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > > > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free > > experience for everyone", period. > > I would suggest reading the commit message that added this in the first > place. "Explicit guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects > and other areas of the kernel." See also various comparisons of codes of > conduct, which make the same point. The point of this list is precisely > to serve as one such explicit guideline; removing it would rather defeat > the purpose. > > In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any > more than it's the place for patches to the GPL. So what's an appropriate place to discuss the changes that we would like, *together*, to make to the current document and propose upstream ? As stated in another e-mail in a similar thread, I believe we need to come together and decide on what we want to do. We still have no official forum to do so, and repeatedly telling people that ksummit-discuss and LKML are not the right place won't make the concerns go away. Only by discussing problems will we come to solutions. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart