From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F8AB3594C for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 21:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754431102; cv=none; b=TtqJdZ5Uy3NKX4sEiCdLvGOxqrKawRvKdfd/r1qC71b1FJo+Pn+Z3QIfoLciUMeJhZ83QjTyCWPyojSvMpWovsLn3W35QZv+qqWjEmRAfObdahAzDdTEedrEaklP3g9hfQHW+Wbhq8gSkvCvo3ZU/Mpai0/tvNQM2PBh7/zh1S4= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754431102; c=relaxed/simple; bh=n9yIzgZ/qLHSs3gVnOBOVnTniVC8QGAYuihPMfFmtGU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V6A8G5/Ia1paviV81JiA4HzfTPGeg3P1k5owSWdMHHiO2ylvuGIUuTvt4Oy+U9DUjsfp56R/3e7gzwWfIlW1iGEvIEIxcTR2WxtDMoIoGkdZQzQVuABl4uhUiBhGpWGtDleTn+4CfOQCxzRdWHWok1MuJcjoiXnJf9upT6nHGZU= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=ovPseWnk; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="ovPseWnk" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A42CCC4CEF0; Tue, 5 Aug 2025 21:58:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1754431102; bh=n9yIzgZ/qLHSs3gVnOBOVnTniVC8QGAYuihPMfFmtGU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ovPseWnkiky75Q2kx0kIIsxdOTpYNzFf9sgTkv1yb9DJFxDLLASZfMvlXElC9LRAL dRwh0IzE7myNCFk9H1W3cRw7hC98cjk3ok7/qaV5erWixm5+hWWberu9q2BzyfzAme 3GzkS1Xu7Et2AlV8hv+mEtXmdt9FoFf9kqKGxBbbpKA/qZe2ljy7gc8CHwiX314aUb b4v7Uz//T6HmI8urEuIcWBazZJgQ/tzIEYOmjkLmMAHST/VNHhu0v2uZGF+zLhe6HJ Q9jK1rhbxePDloCkyIcbYGCnr6rRVFE8VDBxfFTv54zt1aRb8bNyxGHAw2DRmTpndv 26Gmshi6shC4g== Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 23:58:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Jiri Kosina To: James Bottomley cc: Lorenzo Stoakes , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process In-Reply-To: <56e85d392471beea3322d19bde368920ba6323b6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Message-ID: <16p76q9o-7274-901o-4980-764o681q400o@xreary.bet> References: <56e85d392471beea3322d19bde368920ba6323b6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Aug 2025, James Bottomley wrote: > > * Equally, LLM's can introduce very subtle mistakes that humans find > > difficult to pick up upon - humans implicitly assume that the classes > > of errors they will encounter are the kinds other humans would make - > > AI defeats that instinct. > > Do you have any examples of this? I've found the opposite to be true: > AI is capable of really big stupid mistakes when it hasn't seen enough > of the pattern, but I can't recall seeing it make something you'd > classify as a subtle mistake (I assume it could copy subtle mistakes > from wrong training data, so I'm not saying it can't, just that I > haven't seen any). Few months ago (so state of matters has probably changed a lot since then, I have no idea), I've seen a GPIO driver fully written by ChatGPT. It was functionally correct and worked well. But it was missing error handle here-and-there. Is it subtle or big? Thanks, -- Jiri Kosina SUSE Labs