From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp-out2.suse.de (smtp-out2.suse.de [195.135.220.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A527C12B6D; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=suse.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=suse.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=suse.de header.i=@suse.de header.b="JBhq8sSa"; dkim=permerror (0-bit key) header.d=suse.de header.i=@suse.de header.b="cBmRbNRn" Received: from imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de [192.168.254.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-521) server-digest SHA512) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 559A320129; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:17:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_rsa; t=1698268673; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=KgLiS+cPjCEsAYdLVYLCPsaal9PqLcfEx5CqPhxTSxo=; b=JBhq8sSa0ck8iCnLjUOs1DpLY+SVifg1tpTtRM/WhyzK8gwME+Nbl33sIPMy0ngeIwpO60 4nUYrMyFhdOeeCuDO+M3+2rl4Pzsv7P7FYdgKJ07SyBeHqUTyLpJYSPazKhCSgn6zIyN2h DjKHGwUhsSnlRDp9JYS2bnX63sHnBf8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_ed25519; t=1698268673; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=KgLiS+cPjCEsAYdLVYLCPsaal9PqLcfEx5CqPhxTSxo=; b=cBmRbNRnpaixZ/AmO1r+Yv3hTf3BLLNFXg3pdWFEWrpNor3o/DuStHdFvkU+ApwfWTYrwS qGwCreBV54BOtgCA== Received: from imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de [192.168.254.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-521) server-digest SHA512) (No client certificate requested) by imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AE95138E9; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([192.168.254.65]) by imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de with ESMTPSA id Y1HvCP6FOWWSMAAAMHmgww (envelope-from ); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:17:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "NeilBrown" To: "Steven Rostedt" Cc: "James Bottomley" , "Jani Nikula" , "Krzysztof Kozlowski" , "Andrew Morton" , "Dan Carpenter" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, outreachy@lists.linux.dev, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: KTODO automated TODO lists In-reply-to: <20231025141030.63acb006@gandalf.local.home> References: <369bc919-1a1d-4f37-9cc9-742a86a41282@kadam.mountain>, <20231023114949.34fc967988c354547f79c4e7@linux-foundation.org>, <8ca50d4c-3c96-4efa-a111-fca04d580ab5@kernel.org>, <169818295461.20306.14022136719064683486@noble.neil.brown.name>, <53c584c21f273548004a7ddb5aa4c04ec7bca1c5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>, <87fs1y8xkl.fsf@intel.com>, <893b8cc27684a03865dbf9517a4cbf1bd132950a.camel@HansenPartnership.com>, <20231025141030.63acb006@gandalf.local.home> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 08:17:47 +1100 Message-id: <169826866742.20306.11983020557594162413@noble.neil.brown.name> Authentication-Results: smtp-out2.suse.de; none X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: -5.25 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.25 / 50.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-3.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; BAYES_HAM(-1.15)[88.73%] X-Spam-Flag: NO On Thu, 26 Oct 2023, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:07:02 -0400 > James Bottomley wrote: > > > Because some MUAs don't have it. Others are a bit aggressive, meaning > > you have to turn it off anyway if you want to see what's in more than a > > couple of lines of a quote (it only takes me a couple of emails to get > > incredibly annoyed with the way gmail does it, for instance, since it > > never seems to leave enough useful context). > > I think this is the key issue. We only want the context of an email that is > being responded to present, and the rest trimmed. Automated trimming or > collapsing doesn't do this well. Who exactly is "We"? I don't think your description matches what I want. NeilBrown > > Maybe we can make AI do this for us.. hmm > > -- Steve >