From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Mishi Choudhary <mishi@linux.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 6/7] Code of Conduct: Change the contact email address
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 13:13:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1540066434.3464.21.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181020192845.48b8b860@alans-desktop>
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 19:28 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > +to the circumstances. The Code of Conduct Committee is obligated
> > to
> > +maintain confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an
> > incident.
> > +Further details of specific enforcement policies may be posted
> > +separately.
>
> Unfortunately by ignoring the other suggestions on this you've left
> this bit broken.
>
> The committee can't keep most stuff confidential so it's misleading
> and wrong to imply they can. Data protection law, reporting laws in
> some countries and the like mean that anyone expecting an incident to
> remain confidential from the person it was reported against is living
> in dreamland and are going to get a nasty shock.
>
> At the very least it should say '(except where required by law)'.
I've got a solution for this: the patches I've been curating also
modify the section so the merger will look like what I have below.
The intent of the series I'm curating was only the beginning to show
desire to change in 4.19 but to correct the obvious defect before we
started the debate, so after suitable discussion, this one can be
the final set.
> There is a separate issue that serious things should always go to law
> enforcement - you are setting up a policy akin to the one that got
> the catholic church and many others in trouble.
>
> You should also reserving the right to report serious incidents
> directly to law enforcement. Unless of course you want to be forced
> to sit on multiple reports of physical abuse from different people
> about someone - unable to tell them about each others report, unable
> to prove anything, and in twenty years time having to explain to the
> media why nothing was done.
I think we should debate that. Most legal systems provide significant
deference to victims wishing for confidentiality and we should both
respect that and remember that an automatic crime report is a
significant deterrent to vulnerable people in a lot of places.
James
---
diff --git a/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst b/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
index eec768471a4d..8913851dab89 100644
--- a/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
+++ b/Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst
@@ -59,19 +59,27 @@ address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed
representative at an online or offline event. Representation of a project may be
further defined and clarified by project maintainers.
-Reporting
-=========
+Enforcement
+===========
Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be
-reported by contacting the Technical Advisory Board (TAB) at
-<tab@lists.linux-foundation.org>. All complaints will be reviewed and
-investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and
-appropriate to the circumstances. The TAB is obligated to maintain
-confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident (except where
-required by law).
+reported by contacting the Code of Conduct Committee at
+<conduct@kernel.org>. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated
+and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and appropriate
+to the circumstances. The Code of Conduct Committee is obligated to
+maintain confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident
+(except where required by law). Further details of specific enforcement
+policies may be posted separately.
+
Attribution
===========
This Code of Conduct is adapted from the Contributor Covenant, version 1.4,
available at https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.html
+
+Interpretation
+==============
+
+See the :ref:`code_of_conduct_interpretation` document for how the Linux
+kernel community will be interpreting this document.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-20 20:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-20 13:49 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:49 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 1/7] Code of conduct: Fix wording around maintainers enforcing the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Add document explaining how the Code of Conduct is to be interpreted Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 3/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Properly reference the TAB correctly Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 4/7] Code of Conduct: Provide links between the two documents Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 5/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Put in the proper URL for the committee Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 19:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21 7:18 ` Greg KH
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 6/7] Code of Conduct: Change the contact email address Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 18:28 ` Alan Cox
2018-10-20 18:45 ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-20 19:14 ` jonsmirl
2018-10-21 8:27 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-21 9:23 ` Greg KH
2018-10-20 19:24 ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-20 20:07 ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-21 0:13 ` Alan Cox
2018-10-21 6:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-20 20:13 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 7/7] MAINTAINERS: Add an entry for the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-21 21:20 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-21 22:26 ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-21 23:37 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 1:44 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 20:26 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 22:46 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 1:31 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 6:26 ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23 6:40 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 6:46 ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23 3:31 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 4:25 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 4:52 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 5:28 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 6:00 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 20:45 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 8:11 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 14:22 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 15:43 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 21:14 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-24 12:16 ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-25 21:14 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27 1:10 ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-28 21:48 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-01 16:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:11 ` Josh Triplett
2018-11-02 13:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:50 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-02 13:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 8:36 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 17:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 21:06 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 22:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:52 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-04 10:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21 22:33 ` Joe Perches
2018-10-21 22:37 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-10-22 9:09 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-22 11:02 ` James Bottomley
2018-10-24 8:49 ` Laura Abbott
[not found] ` <185b786a2bd6e8d527dca161dc42e4f1@redchan.it>
2018-10-25 8:19 ` [Ksummit-discuss] The linux devs can rescind their license grant Greg Kroah-Hartman
[not found] ` <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com>
2018-10-25 20:47 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
[not found] ` <20181025214123.GA2448@thyrsus.com>
2018-10-25 22:12 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20181025223813.GA5137@thyrsus.com>
2018-10-25 22:52 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-04 10:47 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-25 23:06 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20181026022836.GA12924@thyrsus.com>
2018-10-26 5:49 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <75eb4a46c8a2c1d4a927760fd1f2009d@redchan.it>
2018-10-27 7:32 ` Al Viro
2018-10-27 16:18 ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-27 22:09 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <CAK2MWOtNUTjWy5pTcGco5DNurqNCc=9CfDJ-Ko-K+6HDC55ikg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-27 23:40 ` Al Viro
2018-10-28 21:13 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-29 22:31 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2018-10-25 22:02 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-25 8:06 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <2341648.lzjnUGKk1z@siriux>
2018-10-25 22:18 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <ffeb597c-9ca2-cf21-ba52-2146ab20c83a@mailbox.org>
2018-10-26 22:40 ` NeilBrown
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