From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3129301A for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [66.63.167.143]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67CB479F for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1539791355.3769.35.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: James Bottomley To: Josh Triplett , Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20181017152101.GA17531@localhost> References: <20181017071902.30102-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181017091325.GA15991@localhost> <20181017152101.GA17531@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, tomi.valkeinen@iki.fi Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 08:21 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > People in underrepresented and commonly marginalized groups, > especially those more commonly overlooked, don't always know if a > given group has taken their particular group into account or given > any thought to it. Explicit inclusion helps, and this is a standard > guideline often cited for good codes of conduct. Actually, that's not a good thing to do in a vacuum: you have to be really careful about how you do this from a legal point of view. The argument over whether enumerating specific rights or classes disparages others has been going on for centuries. To give you an example of how far back it goes: it's the reason for the ninth amendment to the US constitution. The commonly accepted legal way of doing this today is the statement "examples of X include but are not limited to: ..." which is thought to work in most jurisdictions and is what you'll find in all US corporate codes of conduct or ethics. James