From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4909A2A56 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [66.63.167.143]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2E6DFD for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1539713962.2805.41.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: James Bottomley To: Josh Triplett Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 11:19:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20181016180010.GC4367@localhost> References: <20181016021254.GA21220@thunk.org> <1539702797.2805.19.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181016180010.GC4367@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Draft Maintainer's Summit Agenda and Attendees List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 11:00 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 08:13:17AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 10:11 +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > And I don't see anyone else from an external community with real > > > experience (or someone who does consulting in this area) invited > > > to fill that gap either. > > > > I don't buy the narrative that you must be a CoC consultant or > > implementor to make a difference. > > We typically don't make major changes in a specialized domain without > consulting domain experts, to avoid building a solution that won't > work or ignores well-known issues in that domain. We wouldn't go off > and build a virtualization subsystem without consulting > virtualization experts; we wouldn't build a storage subsystem without > consulting storage experts; we wouldn't hack on a license without > consulting legal experts; the same applies here. I notice you carefully cut the part about people who've been active in helping the kernel in this regard already being present; so we do have some domain experts ... plus no external ones have actually been proposed at this point. We also don't usually listen deferentially to domain experts ... spectre and meltdown would be a case in point here. James