From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48CC0E40 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [66.63.167.143]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C03A571C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1536594427.4035.14.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: James Bottomley To: Sasha Levin , Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:47:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20180910153806.GR16300@sasha-vm> References: <1536592110.4035.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180910153806.GR16300@sasha-vm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 15:38 +0000, Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 05:10:48AM -1000, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:08 AM James Bottomley > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 04:53 -1000, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > >   "Live without email - possible?" > > > > > > Can I propose one small alteration to the topic: > > > > > >         "Patches without Email - Possible?" > > > > Yes, better. That's what I meant anyway. > > > > I still want the pull requests as email, and I still think email is > > often the best way to discuss things. > > Yes, email is great for discussions, but one concern I have is that > once discussions ended and a patch was merged, a lot of those > discussions are lost forever. > > It's somewhat easy to google a patch and look in lkml archives to see > some discussion as a result of the patch, but that's far from > perfect: > > 1. For different patch revisions, some discussions manage to hide in > the archives. > 2. Discussions that resulted in a patch being sent aren't linked to > the patch itself. > 3. Any discussions after the patch was merged aren't easy to locate, > specially if they're not in the same thread as the original patch. > > This makes the lives of stable/distro folks more difficult than it > should be. I disagree on this. I have had occasion, when identifying patches that screwed something up, to go back to the emails to try to find out who did this and why. As long as you're used to search interfaces it's usually easy to find. Usually they are all threaded under the patch but the worst case I've seen is when v1, v2 ... vn aren't linked by thread, but even there searching for the specific patch set (0/n) subject title works. So I think the data is all there in multiple archives and we do have powerful enough tools to find it. James