From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62F9AC8D for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [66.63.167.143]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0969581F for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 21:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1536528973.3192.13.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: James Bottomley To: Jiri Kosina , "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 14:36:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <20180908113411.GA3111@kroah.com> <1536418829.22308.1.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180908153235.GB11120@kroah.com> <1536422066.22308.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180909125130.GA16474@kroah.com> <1536503930.3192.2.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <6ECFDF7E-2674-4096-BFB5-25243D62913E@amacapital.net> <20180909172039.GE22251@thunk.org> <9E5C84F3-410E-4177-AA96-FA09A8D53BC6@amacapital.net> <20180909185651.GF22251@thunk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: mchehab+samsung@kernel.org, ksummit Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Handling of embargoed security issues List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Sun, 2018-09-09 at 22:20 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > >    2. Force industry to adopt new norms that actually work well > > with open source. > > The big quesiton mark here obviously is -- how? > > I would hope that there are other ways than having the whole thing > once fail completely, in order to provide enough of a shock effect. Well, as I said in the original email apart from peer pressure, and perhaps some institutional help from the various open source foundations, all we really have at our disposal is the PR factor: if we produce a detailed history and critique of the failures plus a set of suggestions for improvements we have at least begun the conversation. James