On Sat, 2016-08-27 at 21:40 -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss wrote: > > "legal penalties" are a last, worst option - that I think > everyone agrees with. The core issue to me is - should > "legal penalties" *ever* be an option ? As I said before, they have to be an option. Because otherwise you basically don't have a negotiating position at all. The GPL gives a *legal* framework under which a party is required to do certain things. You can't even point that fact out to a violator without *some* kind of implicit suggestion that they might be held to their legal obligations. If all it took was "it'll be good for you and everyone else is doing it" then we wouldn't actually need the GPL licence at all; a BSD licence would be sufficient. And if we added a clause to the kernel's COPYING file which made it says that "legally you have to release source... but we promise we'll never sue if you don't", then that basically *turns* it into a BSD licence for most purposes. Legal penalties are a last worst option. Absolutely. But they have to *be* an option. -- dwmw2