From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@sfconservancy.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 07:25:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1472365513.4611.35.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160828044034.GC8742@jeremy-acer>
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On Sat, 2016-08-27 at 21:40 -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss
wrote:
>
> "legal penalties" are a last, worst option - that I think
> everyone agrees with. The core issue to me is - should
> "legal penalties" *ever* be an option ?
As I said before, they have to be an option.
Because otherwise you basically don't have a negotiating position at
all.
The GPL gives a *legal* framework under which a party is required to do
certain things. You can't even point that fact out to a violator
without *some* kind of implicit suggestion that they might be held to
their legal obligations.
If all it took was "it'll be good for you and everyone else is doing
it" then we wouldn't actually need the GPL licence at all; a BSD
licence would be sufficient.
And if we added a clause to the kernel's COPYING file which made it
says that "legally you have to release source... but we promise we'll
never sue if you don't", then that basically *turns* it into a BSD
licence for most purposes.
Legal penalties are a last worst option. Absolutely. But they have to
*be* an option.
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2016-08-26 19:33 Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 21:19 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 21:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 22:42 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 23:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 1:30 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 7:00 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 23:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 16:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 21:18 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 1:43 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 2:02 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 3:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:42 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 20:51 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:24 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 14:06 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 6:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-29 11:10 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 17:38 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-30 18:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:36 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-28 15:43 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 15:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-29 15:51 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-29 19:45 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-29 16:26 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:13 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 16:26 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 19:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 22:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-29 9:01 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 16:15 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 16:45 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 17:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:15 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 19:17 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 2:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-31 18:51 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 8:37 ` Greg KH
2016-08-31 18:53 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 23:19 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:49 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 18:17 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 18:28 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 17:16 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-30 17:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:37 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 5:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:02 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 23:29 ` Jeremy Allison
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2016-08-27 23:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 0:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-28 0:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 16:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:35 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 4:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 5:17 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 5:38 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 2:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-28 4:34 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 8:04 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 15:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 3:18 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:40 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 6:25 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2016-08-29 11:24 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-29 11:50 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 9:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 15:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-30 16:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-31 8:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-31 9:28 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 16:55 ` Mark Brown
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2016-08-26 2:46 Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 4:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 5:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 5:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:48 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 17:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:29 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 19:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:53 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 19:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:58 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 21:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-26 23:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-27 0:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-27 4:00 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-26 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:36 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-26 20:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 15:23 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-26 16:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 17:19 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-27 15:43 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 17:14 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 18:47 ` Julia Lawall
2016-08-27 18:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-27 22:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 7:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 9:54 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 17:42 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-29 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 19:04 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 18:00 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:25 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 19:31 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-29 20:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-29 21:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 21:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-29 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 23:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 4:32 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 5:30 Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 13:08 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:25 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 14:39 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-24 16:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2016-08-24 17:39 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 17:54 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-24 18:30 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-24 19:57 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 20:19 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:13 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 22:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-24 17:38 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:38 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-24 14:44 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:29 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-24 17:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 18:24 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 20:41 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 21:09 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:21 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:33 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-25 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-24 20:50 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 21:54 ` Greg KH
2016-08-25 4:06 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-25 6:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-25 7:03 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-25 20:03 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-25 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-25 20:28 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-26 0:59 ` Greg KH
2016-08-26 2:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-26 11:49 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 7:48 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-26 12:03 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 12:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
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