From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32F7C9D for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.9]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D01B11E2 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1472246342.61594.625.camel@infradead.org> From: David Woodhouse To: Jeremy Allison , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:19:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20160826193331.GA29084@jra3> References: <20160826193331.GA29084@jra3> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-FnyBrj9LEN6yKVNHSN0G" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-FnyBrj9LEN6yKVNHSN0G Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2016-08-26 at 12:33 -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss wrote: > These days we rely on Conservancy doing the kind of back-room negotiation > that they are really good at, and they've never failed us on this. Lawsui= ts > *are* a last-ditch nuclear option. Without the option of a lawsuit, there *is* no negotiation. The GPL has certain requirements and they are backed up by law. If you don't have that, you might as well have a BSD licence. You won't get far in negotiating with someone to release their modifications if the code in question is under a BSD licence and you start the conversation by saying "You need to release the changes you made or... we'll be sad". And that's *precisely* the same as the GPL if you state up front that you'll never sue. You'll just get laughed at. Conservancy quite rightly use legal action as a last resort after all other reasonable avenues have been exhausted. But you can't abandon it completely. And the idea that legal action against violators would scare away those who are using the software *legally* is laughable. There is *always* risk... If you use commercial software and don't pay for the licence, you can be sued. If you use Free Software and don't comply with the licence, you can be sued. And even if you write it yourself, you have to be really careful your engineers don't pick up code snippets they found on the Internet... or you can be sued. Whatever you do, you have to actually follow the rules and do it right. Holding persistent violators to the rules the hard way, if they refuse to do the right thing after years of negotiation, *really* shouldn't scare off anyone sensible from using Free Software. --=20 dwmw2 --=-FnyBrj9LEN6yKVNHSN0G Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCEeAw ggXiMIIDyqADAgECAhBrp4p9CteI1lEK+Vnk57ThMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMH0xCzAJBgNVBAYT AklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSswKQYDVQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0 aWZpY2F0ZSBTaWduaW5nMSkwJwYDVQQDEyBTdGFydENvbSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0 eTAeFw0xNTEyMTYwMTAwMDVaFw0zMDEyMTYwMTAwMDVaMHUxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQK Ew1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSkwJwYDVQQLEyBTdGFydENvbSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0 eTEjMCEGA1UEAxMaU3RhcnRDb20gQ2xhc3MgMSBDbGllbnQgQ0EwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUA A4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC9fdr3w6J9g/Zbgv3bW1+uHht1wLUZr5gkrLtXedg17AkefMyUGwrQdvwO 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