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On Thu, 2016-08-25 at 22:24 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@coreos.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Users benefit from code availability, even if it isn't contributed
> > upstream.
> 
> The thing is, long term, what really matters is the eventual upstream
> contribution.
> 
> The non-contributor company that isn't contributing is by definition
> not spreading his DNA around. They don't matter in the long run.
> 
> What matters are the people - and companies - that actually develop
> and contribute code, and make the future happen.

Are you saying that the freedom of end users
to modify the software running on their Linux
devices is irrelevant?

The downstream freedoms seem to be generating
new upstream communities all around us, for
example OpenWRT.