On Wed, 2016-08-17 at 09:03 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-08-17 at 12:38 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 00:01 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2016-08-03 at 09:46 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And it gets rid of the IMO extremely nasty temporary key.  I
> > > > personally think that reproducible builds would add considerable
> > > > value
> > > > to many use cases, and we currently can't simultaneously support
> > > > reproducible builds and Secure Boot without a big mess involving
> > > > trusted parties, and the whole point of reproducible builds is to
> > > > avoid needed to trust the packager.
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > You need that trusted party to supply a signature for the kernel, so
> > > why is it so much worse to have them do that for the modules as well?
> > [...]
> > 
> > I think I can now answer this myself.
> > 
> > Where there's a separate certificate store, the signing stage can be
> > entirely independent of the initial build.  A user of a distribution
> > can reproduce the distribution's unsigned binaries and then use their
> > own keys to build signed binaries for their own use.
> > 
> > However, the module signing certificate embedded in the kernel - even
> > if it refers to a persistent signing key, making it reproducible - has
> > to be established before the initial build, so it doesn't allow for
> > users to use a different root of trust.  So there ought to be an option
> > to require signatures but without defining any trusted keys at build
> > time.
> 
> With Mehmet Kayaalp's patches memory can be reserved for adding keys
> post build.  After adding the key, the kernel would need to be
> (re-)signed.

I know, but it doesn't replace the first certificate.

Ben.

> > c4c3610 "KEYS: Reserve an extra certificate symbol for inserting without
> recompiling"
> 8e16789 "KEYS: Use the symbol value for list size, updated by
> scripts/insert-sys-cert"
> 
> Mimi
> 
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