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From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@sirena.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Secure/verified boot and roots of trust
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 00:01:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1470265316.4176.207.camel@decadent.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrU2qPO8Bu5wtaiKkYHgdpV3dL+Q5P+8YZLNSm3Ekn9sTw@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wed, 2016-08-03 at 09:46 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
[...]
> And it gets rid of the IMO extremely nasty temporary key.  I
> personally think that reproducible builds would add considerable value
> to many use cases, and we currently can't simultaneously support
> reproducible builds and Secure Boot without a big mess involving
> trusted parties, and the whole point of reproducible builds is to
> avoid needed to trust the packager.
[...]

You need that trusted party to supply a signature for the kernel, so
why is it so much worse to have them do that for the modules as well?

As you may be aware, I'm dealing with this in Debian by putting
detached signatures into the source package that builds signed
binaries.  The two package build processes are each reproducible (aside
from a recently discovered dependence on whether /bin/sh is bash or
dash).

Ben.

-- 

Ben Hutchings
Nothing is ever a complete failure; it can always serve as a bad
example.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-03 23:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-03  2:58 Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03  3:24 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-03  3:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03  4:34   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03  4:42     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-03  4:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03  5:15     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03  8:33 ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-08-03 10:31 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-03 10:43 ` David Howells
2016-08-03 16:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:17     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03 17:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:26         ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03 17:28           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-03 23:01     ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2016-08-03 23:22       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04  5:26         ` Kees Cook
2016-08-17 11:38       ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-17 13:03         ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-17 16:11           ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-18 12:28             ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-03 12:42 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 17:04   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:23     ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-03 17:29       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 22:09     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <CALCETrVpCnfOJ2aXkNsOXatQAF6NG-AcJpxeYfA9wG_t2ocykg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrWgS0XObzxfQWQbyntVEn6QF81K2TVbS4bGNyN6EcYb_A@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-03 22:39           ` Andy Lutomirski

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