On Fri, 2016-07-15 at 13:17 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:19:17AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> > RHEL is also developed on a git tree nowadays, because there is
> > no need to extract patches from RHEL, since the code came from
> > upstream to begin with.
> 
> > It sounds like the embedded people are causing themselves a lot
> > of pain. Pain the distro people got all too familiar with a decade
> > ago, and decided to leave behind.
> 
> No, at least not in the terms you're thinking of here.  The constraints
> that go into supporting servers in distros are very different to the
> constraints that apply when building systems based around trying to
> exploit the new capabilities of silicon that was taped out rather more
> close to product launch than might be comfortable.  Some of it is just
> bad practice and technical debt but far from all of it, these aren't
> solved problems.
> 
> This isn't just something that goes on in embedded either - look at the
> experience people have buying laptops with brand new Intel chipsets,
> even running bleeding edge upstream versions of things it takes a good
> few months after the systems start hitting the market for things to
> become stable and reasonably functional. 

And it's not just laptops. Sure, laptops have to deal with graphics,
and there's always a lot of fun there. But we also spend a fair amount
of time ensuring new *server* features work nicely in the distro
kernels.

There really isn't all *that* much difference in the constraints.

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David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse@intel.com                              Intel Corporation