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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@primarydata.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:35:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1469540111.120686.314.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1468119600.19833.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

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On Sun, 2016-07-10 at 12:00 +0900, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> Note: I'm not saying don't do testing, or even that testing isn't a
> suitable discussion topic for KS.  What I am saying is that I think we
> should discuss our stable practices separately from testing.

Well... there is a danger that by divorcing the discussion of the
problem, from any discussion of specific things we might do to fix it,
we could transform the former into little more than a navel-gazing
session.

Testing seems like the most productive way to reduce the number of
regressions we see.

We really should have more of an expectation that new code should be
submitted *with* test cases. After all, it's not like people are
generally submitting code that's *entirely* untested. It's more that
testing is ad-hoc, and sometimes depends on running on specific
hardware. But even the latter can often be fixed, with appropriate test
harnesses.

Even actual device drivers could sometimes be exercised with tools
based on MMIO tracing and playback.

-- 
David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse@intel.com                              Intel Corporation

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-26 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-08 22:35 Jiri Kosina
2016-07-08 23:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-08 23:38   ` Luck, Tony
2016-07-09  8:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  8:58       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09  9:29       ` Johannes Berg
2016-07-09 15:19         ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09 16:04           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 19:15         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-08-01  9:32           ` Johannes Berg
2016-08-01 11:10             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-09 18:39       ` Andrew Lunn
2016-07-10  1:22       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-08 23:52   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-09  0:06     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  8:37       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  9:12         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-09  0:10   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  0:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-09  0:43       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  1:53         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 10:05         ` James Bottomley
2016-07-09 15:49           ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-09 22:41             ` Dan Williams
2016-07-10  1:34             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  1:43               ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-10  1:56                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  2:12                   ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-10  2:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-10  3:00                     ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  3:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-26 13:35                       ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2016-07-26 13:44                         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-26 14:33                           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-26 15:52                             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-28 21:02                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29  0:10                               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29  8:59                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29 14:28                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:53                                     ` Shuah Khan
2016-08-03  4:47                                       ` Bird, Timothy
2016-07-29 15:12                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 15:20                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 15:50                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 16:06                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 16:48                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 17:02                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 21:07                                               ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-07-29 21:40                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:41                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-30 16:19                                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 13:35                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 14:24                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-02 14:12                       ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-02 15:34                         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-02 23:17                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03  9:36                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 11:09                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 13:05                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 13:26                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 13:48                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 13:57                                       ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 13:59                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 14:04                                           ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 14:10                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  1:23                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  8:20                                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04 13:33                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:32                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-04 15:40                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:47                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04 16:18                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-04 16:26                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:44                                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 15:56                                                     ` James Bottomley
2016-08-04 17:01                                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 17:11                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 17:53                                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-08-05  8:16                                                           ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-04 16:14                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 17:51                                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 18:16                                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 18:44                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 18:48                                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 19:06                                                             ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 18:52                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-04 19:30                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-03 14:45                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 13:48                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-03 14:19                                       ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 14:45                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 15:48                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 16:12                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 16:44                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 17:20                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 18:21                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 18:59                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 21:25                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 21:31                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 21:36                                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  3:06                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-03 22:25                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04 14:02                                                         ` Jan Kara
2016-08-03 18:57                                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 22:16                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04  3:14                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  3:32                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-04  4:05                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  8:27                                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04  8:21                                             ` Greg KH
2016-08-05  4:46                                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2016-08-03 14:12                                     ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 14:33                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-03 13:20                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 13:21                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  1:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 13:39                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 14:10                                     ` Chris Mason
2016-08-04  0:37                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 15:47                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04  8:25                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 11:12                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10  2:27                   ` Dan Williams
2016-07-10  6:10                     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11  4:03                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] kernel unit testing Trond Myklebust
2016-07-11  4:22                       ` James Bottomley
2016-07-11  4:30                         ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-11  5:23                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11  8:56                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-11 16:20                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 19:58                       ` Dan Williams
2016-07-12  9:35                         ` Jan Kara
2016-07-13  4:56                           ` Dan Williams
2016-07-13  9:04                             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-11 20:24                       ` Kevin Hilman
2016-07-11 23:03                         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-18  7:44                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-07-18  8:44                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-28 21:09                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 21:33                           ` Bird, Timothy
2016-08-02 18:42                           ` Kevin Hilman
2016-08-02 19:44                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02 20:33                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-13  4:48                       ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13  9:07                         ` Greg KH
2016-07-13 12:37                           ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13 19:59                             ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-13 22:23                               ` Alex Shi
2016-07-14  1:19                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-14  9:48                               ` Alex Shi
2016-07-14  9:54                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-14 14:13                                   ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13 14:34                           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-14  3:17                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-14 10:06                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-15  0:22                                 ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  0:51                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  1:41                                     ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  2:56                                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  4:29                                         ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  5:52                                           ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15  6:14                                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  7:02                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-15 11:42                                                 ` Greg KH
2016-07-15 11:47                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-15 12:17                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15  6:19                                             ` Rik van Riel
2016-07-15 12:17                                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-26 13:45                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-15  6:32                                             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15  7:01                                               ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15  7:28                                                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15  7:36                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-15  9:29                                                   ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15 16:08                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-15 11:05                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15 12:35                                                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15 12:44                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15 11:24                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-28 22:07                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-21  7:13                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2016-07-21  7:44                                             ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-15 11:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-15 11:40                                       ` Greg KH
2016-07-15 12:38                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10  2:07                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-10  6:19               ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-10 14:42                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11  1:18                   ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-10  7:29           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-10 10:20             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-10 13:33               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  9:27                 ` Zefan Li
2016-07-15 13:52                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-26 13:08           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-10  7:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-09  0:06 ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09  0:42   ` James Bottomley
2016-07-09  8:43     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  9:36       ` Mark Brown
2016-07-09 15:13         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 19:40           ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-07-11  8:14             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09 21:21           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 15:13             ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:03               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 17:07                 ` Justin Forbes
2016-07-11 17:11                 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:13                   ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11 17:17                     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:24                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 17:44                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-13  1:08                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-11 17:15                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-11 17:20                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 17:26                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-11 17:27                     ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11 23:13                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 17:17                 ` Josh Boyer
2016-07-11 22:42                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-20 17:50                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-07-11  8:18           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-11 23:32             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 14:22           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10 16:22         ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-10 17:01           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-10 18:28             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-10 22:38               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-11  8:47                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-27  3:19                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-10 22:39               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11  1:12                 ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11  5:00             ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-11  5:13               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 10:57                 ` Luis de Bethencourt
2016-07-11 14:18                 ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-11 17:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-27  3:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-27  4:36                     ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-09 14:57     ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09 22:51       ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-07-10  7:21 ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-11  7:44 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-08-02 13:49 ` Jani Nikula
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-02 19:42 Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 19:43 ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 20:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:12   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 20:22     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 20:27     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:30       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-03 15:20       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-03 15:40       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-02 22:16     ` Jan Kara
2014-05-02 20:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-02 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-02 20:57 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 23:35   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-03 15:22 ` Greg KH

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