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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.com>
Cc: "Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] System-wide interface to specify the level of PM tuning
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:33:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1447490.YSpEUg0Pqm@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1507070948590.10183@pobox.suse.cz>

On Tuesday, July 07, 2015 09:53:44 AM Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > For one example, the default for most of the device/.../power/control 
> > files in sysfs is "on" (meaning no runtime PM) while it might be "auto" 
> > (use runtime PM if you can).  Making that change for everybody in one go 
> > may lead to various issues (that may be regarded as regressions then), 
> 
> I don't believe that the current default settings are set the way they are 
> set because we intentionally want to prefer performance to power efficiency.

No, this is not the intent, but having those defaults favors performance as
a consequence (and increasingly so as the integration of systems increases).

> The real problem is that it's really the only "safe" default, 
> because turning power-management features on is likely to cause 
> unpredictable issues (being it either real bugs in code, or just bad user 
> experience stemming from unexpected system behavior).
> 
> Such as suspended keyboard losing first keypress during wakeup (very 
> common). Or wireless power management not working properly between the 
> client and AP. Etc etc.

Agreed.

On the other hand, though, there are systems without those problems and their
users should be able to choose a more power-oriented behavior relatively
easily.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-07 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-06  0:22 Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-06  1:21 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-06 14:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-06  1:40 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-06 14:12   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-06 13:49     ` Iyer, Sundar
2015-07-06 14:21       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-07  7:53         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-07 12:33           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2015-07-10 17:25         ` Kevin Hilman
2015-07-12 10:01           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-13 23:07             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-14 16:51               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-15 22:44                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-16  1:10                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16  9:19                     ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 15:44                       ` Kristen Accardi
2015-07-16 15:53                         ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:58                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-17 10:34                             ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-17 11:41                             ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-20 22:21                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-20 23:09                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-22  1:12                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-22  7:18                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-22 17:25                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-22 18:25                                         ` josh
2015-07-24 22:36                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-25 19:50                                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-26  0:03                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-26  0:16                                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-27 13:30                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-27 11:50                                               ` Jani Nikula
2015-07-06 16:33     ` Kristen Accardi

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