From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Documentation
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 17:12:47 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1438672367.9418.3.camel@ellerman.id.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150801164142.653012af@lwn.net>
On Sat, 2015-08-01 at 16:41 +0200, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> As your relatively new documentation subsystem maintainer, I think there
> might be reason to talk about docs for a bit at the summit.
>
> Currently, we have two major branches to our docs. One, the bulk of
> Documentation/, is a haphazard collection of text files of varying quality
> and applicability to current kernels. The other is a set of more
> organized DocBook documents.
>
> Despite their disorganized nature, the plain-text docs get the bulk of the
> attention. Anybody can manage to work with a text file. The DocBook
> stuff, instead, is kind of a pain. Working in DocBook itself is less
> than fun, few people dare to delve into the code that builds the docs,
> and the whole thing is rather fragile. Changing a struct to a union in
> the wireless subsystem a few months back broke the docs build, for
> example; few people test for such things and even fewer seem to know how
> to fix them.
...
>
> I am not convinced that DocBook is really the right tool for the job
> here. It is complex, finicky, and it's a real pain to have to replace an
> entire laptop because you've worn out your shift key. It is, I believe, an
> impediment to improvements to our docs in general. If, instead, we used
> something more plain-text-like, I think life might get a lot easier; it
> could also enable the integration of all of our docs into something a bit
> more cohesive.
Yeah +1 from me on getting rid of DocBook.
I looked at it a bit in terms of asking people to write docs, and decided it
was too painful to impose on people.
I know it's not *that* hard, but it's harder than it needs to be for the value
it brings IMHO.
> Markdown in one of its many forms might be a good alternative here. I'm
> also somewhat attracted by Sphinx, which is designed for documenting code
> already and could probably be made to work well with our existing kerneldoc
> comments without a whole lot of trouble. The Sphinx idea, though, is
> hobbled by the inconvenient fact that I've not had the time to develop it
> far enough to even have a vague idea of whether it would make real-world
> sense.
I'd vote for Markdown. It's very unobtrusive, reads nicely as plain text, and
all the young kids know it from writing Github README.md files.
cheers
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-04 7:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-01 14:41 Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 7:07 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-08-03 13:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-03 13:27 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2015-08-03 14:33 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-03 20:45 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-08-04 10:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 0:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-04 12:50 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-04 13:03 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 14:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-04 14:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 13:50 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-08-04 14:05 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-04 14:29 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 14:30 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-04 17:10 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-04 14:42 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2015-08-04 18:21 ` Tim Bird
2015-08-04 21:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-04 15:35 ` Mark Brown
2015-08-05 17:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-08-04 17:24 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-04 7:12 ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2015-08-04 7:42 ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-08-04 8:33 ` Peter Huewe
2015-08-05 17:08 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-08-05 17:19 ` josh
2015-08-05 17:21 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2015-08-04 12:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-08-04 13:07 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-08-04 11:09 ` Daniel Vetter
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