From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B705B499 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from casper.infradead.org (casper.infradead.org [85.118.1.10]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DB2917E for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1438283820.26511.243.camel@infradead.org> From: David Woodhouse To: James Bottomley Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:17:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1438273046.2229.37.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <20436.1438090619@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20150728183610.GB5307@cloud> <1438109061.5441.202.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20150728185428.GD5307@cloud> <20150728213805.GA8786@kroah.com> <1438162660.26913.230.camel@infradead.org> <1438182000.2204.35.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1438184150.26511.77.camel@infradead.org> <1438187888.2204.83.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1438191159.26511.91.camel@infradead.org> <1438213176.2204.152.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1438243737.26511.114.camel@infradead.org> <1438264121.2229.11.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1438268514.26511.216.camel@infradead.org> <1438273046.2229.37.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-1"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-6nySrU/S1fiFMFT2LQqC" Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: mcgrof@gmail.com, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, jkkm@jkkm.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Firmware signing List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-6nySrU/S1fiFMFT2LQqC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 09:17 -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > Well as you know, we disagree. To me it reads like=20 Thank you. I'm happy enough seeing "to me it reads like", followed by something I disagree with, rather than a claim of absolute truth. Especially in a case where we're hypothesising about what a court *might* rule, and we all know that courts can do entirely insane things. That was the reason I jumped in. I'm still kind of interested in what you think it means in the paragraph which explicitly refers to identifiable sections of a work which are "not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves", and concludes with the words "to each and every part regardless of who wrote it".=20 As I understand your viewpoint so far, you seem to have rendered that whole paragraph entirely meaningless. But having got to this point I'm not sure I'm interested *enough* to continue that part of the conversation :) > The original question wasn't about that, it was > whether shipping firmware as part of the kernel source tree would=20 > cause potential legal jeopardy for onward distributors. The answer=20 > is no, as you agree above. In the circumstance where the kernel is considered a joint work and its authors are considered to have consented to that inclusion, sure. But estoppel doesn't help if we've pulled in GPL'd code from third parties (which we have), and if *those* third parties object to the combination of their code in a way that (as you said we could suppose for the sake of argument) violates the GPL. Which they might. In that case, *we* have violated the licence of the third party code that we pulled in. That doesn't give onward distributors a free pass. 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