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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: mcgrof@gmail.com, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	jkkm@jkkm.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Firmware signing
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:32:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1438191159.26511.91.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1438187888.2204.83.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

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On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 09:38 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> No, the paragraph is clear and has a well defined legal test: Unless you
> can opine that the component you're aggregating is *also* based on the
> work, the clause I quoted applies and the aggregation is allowed without
> the component having to be under GPL.

OK, so your opinion is indeed *right* at the very end of the spectrum I
described — you do actually believe that it directly contradicts all
the previous verbiage which explicitly states that it *does* apply to
combinations of GPL'd work with work that is "not derived from the
Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate
works in themselves."

> Really, no, the GPL is very carefully written to follow the tenets of
> copyright law and specifically and deliberately never defines what
> constitutes a derivative work because it relies on case law to do that.
> This means the copyleft capture applies only to something which in legal
> terms is a derivative of the work.  An aggregate may or may not be a
> derivative work, but the mere act of aggregation does not create a
> derivative (and there is definite case law on this), you have to apply
> additional arguments to determine if an aggregate is also a derived
> work. 

... as well as contradicting its explicit statement that its intention
is to "control the distribution of derivative OR COLLECTIVE WORKS".

That's fine, I'm *still* not going to tell you that you're wrong. As I
said, courts have made more bizarre decisions.

But there *is* scope for reasonable people to disagree with you. Let's
not pretend otherwise.

-- 
dwmw2

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-29 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-28 13:36 David Howells
2015-07-28 14:23 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 16:55   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-28 15:10 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 15:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 15:31     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 16:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:10         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 16:15           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 16:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:44             ` David Howells
2015-07-28 17:03               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:19                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 19:31                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:43                     ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 22:03                     ` James Bottomley
2015-08-11 20:24                     ` David Howells
2015-08-11 21:56                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-11 22:03                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-08-12 18:22                       ` David Howells
2015-08-12 18:45                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-08-12 19:09                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:15                             ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 19:25                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:43                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 19:45                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:59                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-08-13  7:03                                       ` Jan Kara
2015-08-13 14:01                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 22:46                           ` David Howells
2015-08-12 22:51                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:06                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 22:39                         ` David Howells
2015-08-12 22:45                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 22:45                         ` David Howells
2015-08-12 22:47                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:18   ` David Howells
2015-07-28 16:42     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 17:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:09         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 17:10           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  2:00         ` James Morris
2015-07-28 16:58   ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-28 15:12 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 18:47   ` Peter Jones
2015-07-28 19:14   ` David Howells
2015-07-28 19:52     ` Peter Jones
2015-07-28 16:17 ` David Howells
2015-07-28 16:59   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 19:11   ` David Howells
2015-07-28 19:34     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-28 21:53     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 22:39     ` David Howells
2015-07-28 22:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  8:39         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 18:36 ` josh
2015-07-28 18:44   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 18:54     ` josh
2015-07-28 19:06       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-28 21:38       ` Greg KH
2015-07-28 23:59         ` josh
2015-07-29  0:17           ` Greg KH
2015-07-29  9:37         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 15:00           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-29 15:35             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 16:38               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-29 17:32                 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2015-07-29 23:39                   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30  8:08                     ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-30 13:48                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30 14:21                         ` Heiko Stübner
2015-07-30 14:30                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30 15:01                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-30 16:17                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30 19:17                             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-31 14:41                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-31 16:14                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-31 17:25                                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-30 16:24                           ` Tim Bird
2015-07-29 16:35             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-29  8:29       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 11:57       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-29 12:02         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 12:24           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-28 19:23   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 19:19 ` David Howells

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