From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32BBA407 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.9]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3AAAF0 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1437200277.11033.2.camel@infradead.org> From: David Woodhouse To: josh@joshtriplett.org, Steven Rostedt Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 07:17:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20150717204856.GA2048@cloud> References: <20150716094720.2bf9f5ac@gandalf.local.home> <55A7C7FE.6000604@sonymobile.com> <20150716094125.16cdda73@lwn.net> <1437063875.18768.59.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20150717101151.5d5bc86d@lwn.net> <20150717133712.42c82add@gandalf.local.home> <20150717190223.GB1499@cloud> <20150717154326.6f129bc4@gandalf.local.home> <20150717202412.GA1856@cloud> <20150717163903.67747d86@gandalf.local.home> <20150717204856.GA2048@cloud> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-1"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-evthu+LsW/DaOYHHN+f3" Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: James Bottomley , Dan Carpenter , Jason Cooper , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-evthu+LsW/DaOYHHN+f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 13:48 -0700, josh@joshtriplett.org wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 04:39:03PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:24:12 -0700 josh@joshtriplett.org wrote: > > > If your biggest hangup as a maintainer is that people send you patche= s > > > that don't have variables sorted in some particular order, perhaps yo= u > > > should get out of kernel development and get into bike shed colorimet= ry > > > consulting. We have enough problems getting quality patches by the > > > metrics that *actually* correlate to quality. And as others have > > > pointed out in this thread, many people produce patches across numero= us > > > subsystems. > >=20 > > I personally don't have any issue with my own idiosyncrasies not being > > met. They are usually minor, and I'll fix up the patch (and document it > > in the change log). These minor idiosyncrasies make maintaining code > > easier. >=20 > That's perfectly reasonable. If you want to take the time making the > code in your area conform to additional requirements above and beyond > those of the kernel as a whole, go for it. I appreciate that you don't > ask others to do it for you. I tend to do the same. I'll fairly consistently fix up (C) to =C2=A9, u to =C2=B5, and found myself bitching at David Howells for using 'sec' instead of =C2=A7 the other day. This far into the 21st century, there really isn't any excuse for people not doing that, but I don't reject patches because of it. I do *sometimes* make people fix things to say 'KiB', 'MiB' etc. for themselves if they've sent me something that is plain wrong and using the powers-of-ten versions inappropriately. But often I just fix that up for myself too. --=20 David Woodhouse Open Source Technology Centre David.Woodhouse@intel.com Intel Corporation --=-evthu+LsW/DaOYHHN+f3 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIISjjCCBicw ggUPoAMCAQICAw3vNzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0 YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcx ODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENB MB4XDTE1MDUwNTA5NDM0MVoXDTE2MDUwNTA5NTMzNlowQjEcMBoGA1UEAwwTZHdtdzJAaW5mcmFk ZWFkLm9yZzEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTZHdtdzJAaW5mcmFkZWFkLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMkbm9kPbx1j/X4RVyf/pPKSYwelcco69TvnQQbKM8m8xkWjXJI1 jpJ1jMaGUZGFToINMSZi7lZawUozudWbXSKy1SikENSTJHffsdRAIlsp+hR8vWvjsKUry6sEdqPG doa5RY7+N4WRusWZDYW/RRWE6i9EL9qV86CVPYqw22UBOUw4/j/HVGCV6TSB8yE5iEwhk/hUuzRr FZm1MJMR7mCS7BCR8Lr5jFY61lWpBiXNXIxLZCvDc26KR5L5tYX43iUVO3fzES1GRVoYnxxk2tmz fcsZG5vK+Trc9L8OZJfkYrEHH3+Iw41MQ0w/djVtYr1+HYldx0QmYXAtnhIj+UMCAwEAAaOCAtkw ggLVMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgSwMB0GA1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMCBggrBgEFBQcD BDAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUszC96C3w5/2+d+atSr0IpT26YI4wHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUU3Ltkpzg2ssBXHx+ ljVO8tS4UYIwHgYDVR0RBBcwFYETZHdtdzJAaW5mcmFkZWFkLm9yZzCCAUwGA1UdIASCAUMwggE/ MIIBOwYLKwYBBAGBtTcBAgMwggEqMC4GCCsGAQUFBwIBFiJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNv bS9wb2xpY3kucGRmMIH3BggrBgEFBQcCAjCB6jAnFiBTdGFydENvbSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1 dGhvcml0eTADAgEBGoG+VGhpcyBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSB3YXMgaXNzdWVkIGFjY29yZGluZyB0byB0 aGUgQ2xhc3MgMSBWYWxpZGF0aW9uIHJlcXVpcmVtZW50cyBvZiB0aGUgU3RhcnRDb20gQ0EgcG9s aWN5LCByZWxpYW5jZSBvbmx5IGZvciB0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQgcHVycG9zZSBpbiBjb21wbGlhbmNl IG9mIHRoZSByZWx5aW5nIHBhcnR5IG9ibGlnYXRpb25zLjA2BgNVHR8ELzAtMCugKaAnhiVodHRw Oi8vY3JsLnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS9jcnR1MS1jcmwuY3JsMIGOBggrBgEFBQcBAQSBgTB/MDkGCCsG AQUFBzABhi1odHRwOi8vb2NzcC5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vc3ViL2NsYXNzMS9jbGllbnQvY2EwQgYI KwYBBQUHMAKGNmh0dHA6Ly9haWEuc3RhcnRzc2wuY29tL2NlcnRzL3N1Yi5jbGFzczEuY2xpZW50 LmNhLmNydDAjBgNVHRIEHDAahhhodHRwOi8vd3d3LnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEF BQADggEBAHMQmxHHodpS85X8HRyxhvfkys7r+taCNOaNU9cxQu/cZ/6k5nS2qGNMzZ6jb7ueY/V7 7p+4DW/9ZWODDTf4Fz00mh5SSVc20Bz7t+hhxwHd62PZgENh5i76Qq2tw48U8AsYo5damHby1epf neZafLpUkLLO7AGBJIiRVTevdvyXQ0qnixOmKMWyvrhSNGuVIKVdeqLP+102Dwf+dpFyw+j1hz28 jEEKpHa+NR1b2kXuSPi/rMGhexwlJOh4tK8KQ6Ryr0rIN//NSbOgbyYZrzc/ZUWX9V5OA84ChFb2 vkFl0OcYrttp/rhDBLITwffPxSZeoBh9H7zYzkbCXKL3BUIwggYnMIIFD6ADAgECAgMN7zcwDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgYwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAklMMRYwFAYDVQQKEw1TdGFydENvbSBMdGQuMSswKQYD VQQLEyJTZWN1cmUgRGlnaXRhbCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTaWduaW5nMTgwNgYDVQQDEy9TdGFydENv bSBDbGFzcyAxIFByaW1hcnkgSW50ZXJtZWRpYXRlIENsaWVudCBDQTAeFw0xNTA1MDUwOTQzNDFa Fw0xNjA1MDUwOTUzMzZaMEIxHDAaBgNVBAMME2R3bXcyQGluZnJhZGVhZC5vcmcxIjAgBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQEWE2R3bXcyQGluZnJhZGVhZC5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIB AQDJG5vZD28dY/1+EVcn/6TykmMHpXHKOvU750EGyjPJvMZFo1ySNY6SdYzGhlGRhU6CDTEmYu5W WsFKM7nVm10istUopBDUkyR337HUQCJbKfoUfL1r47ClK8urBHajxnaGuUWO/jeFkbrFmQ2Fv0UV hOovRC/alfOglT2KsNtlATlMOP4/x1Rglek0gfMhOYhMIZP4VLs0axWZtTCTEe5gkuwQkfC6+YxW OtZVqQYlzVyMS2Qrw3NuikeS+bWF+N4lFTt38xEtRkVaGJ8cZNrZs33LGRubyvk63PS/DmSX5GKx Bx9/iMONTENMP3Y1bWK9fh2JXcdEJmFwLZ4SI/lDAgMBAAGjggLZMIIC1TAJBgNVHRMEAjAAMAsG A1UdDwQEAwIEsDAdBgNVHSUEFjAUBggrBgEFBQcDAgYIKwYBBQUHAwQwHQYDVR0OBBYEFLMwvegt 8Of9vnfmrUq9CKU9umCOMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFFNy7ZKc4NrLAVx8fpY1TvLUuFGCMB4GA1UdEQQX MBWBE2R3bXcyQGluZnJhZGVhZC5vcmcwggFMBgNVHSAEggFDMIIBPzCCATsGCysGAQQBgbU3AQID MIIBKjAuBggrBgEFBQcCARYiaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vcG9saWN5LnBkZjCB9wYI KwYBBQUHAgIwgeowJxYgU3RhcnRDb20gQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRob3JpdHkwAwIBARqBvlRo aXMgY2VydGlmaWNhdGUgd2FzIGlzc3VlZCBhY2NvcmRpbmcgdG8gdGhlIENsYXNzIDEgVmFsaWRh dGlvbiByZXF1aXJlbWVudHMgb2YgdGhlIFN0YXJ0Q29tIENBIHBvbGljeSwgcmVsaWFuY2Ugb25s eSBmb3IgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkIHB1cnBvc2UgaW4gY29tcGxpYW5jZSBvZiB0aGUgcmVseWluZyBw YXJ0eSBvYmxpZ2F0aW9ucy4wNgYDVR0fBC8wLTAroCmgJ4YlaHR0cDovL2NybC5zdGFydHNzbC5j b20vY3J0dTEtY3JsLmNybDCBjgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEgYEwfzA5BggrBgEFBQcwAYYtaHR0cDovL29j c3Auc3RhcnRzc2wuY29tL3N1Yi9jbGFzczEvY2xpZW50L2NhMEIGCCsGAQUFBzAChjZodHRwOi8v YWlhLnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS9jZXJ0cy9zdWIuY2xhc3MxLmNsaWVudC5jYS5jcnQwIwYDVR0SBBww GoYYaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4IBAQBzEJsRx6HaUvOV /B0csYb35MrO6/rWgjTmjVPXMULv3Gf+pOZ0tqhjTM2eo2+7nmP1e+6fuA1v/WVjgw03+Bc9NJoe UklXNtAc+7foYccB3etj2YBDYeYu+kKtrcOPFPALGKOXWph28tXqX53mWny6VJCyzuwBgSSIkVU3 r3b8l0NKp4sTpijFsr64UjRrlSClXXqiz/tdNg8H/naRcsPo9Yc9vIxBCqR2vjUdW9pF7kj4v6zB oXscJSToeLSvCkOkcq9KyDf/zUmzoG8mGa83P2VFl/VeTgPOAoRW9r5BZdDnGK7baf64QwSyE8H3 z8UmXqAYfR+82M5Gwlyi9wVCMIIGNDCCBBygAwIBAgIBHjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADB9MQswCQYD VQQGEwJJTDEWMBQGA1UEChMNU3RhcnRDb20gTHRkLjErMCkGA1UECxMiU2VjdXJlIERpZ2l0YWwg Q2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2lnbmluZzEpMCcGA1UEAxMgU3RhcnRDb20gQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRo b3JpdHkwHhcNMDcxMDI0MjEwMTU1WhcNMTcxMDI0MjEwMTU1WjCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAU BgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRl IFNpZ25pbmcxODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUg Q2xpZW50IENBMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAxwmDzM4t2BqxKaQuE6uW vooyg4ymiEGWVUet1G8SD+rqvyNH4QrvnEIaFHxOhESip7vMz39ScLpNLbL1QpOlPW/tFIzNHS3q d2XRNYG5Sv9RcGE+T4qbLtsjjJbi6sL7Ls/f/X9ftTyhxvxWkf8KW37iKrueKsxw2HqolH7GM6FX 5UfNAwAu4ZifkpmZzU1slBhyWwaQPEPPZRsWoTb7q8hmgv6Nv3Hg9rmA1/VPBIOQ6SKRkHXG0Hhm q1dOFoAFI411+a/9nWm5rcVjGcIWZ2v/43Yksq60jExipA4l5uv9/+Hm33mbgmCszdj/Dthf13tg Av2O83hLJ0exTqfrlwIDAQABo4IBrTCCAakwDwYDVR0TAQH/BAUwAwEB/zAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMC AQYwHQYDVR0OBBYEFFNy7ZKc4NrLAVx8fpY1TvLUuFGCMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFE4L7xqkQFulF2mH MMo0aEPQQa7yMGYGCCsGAQUFBwEBBFowWDAnBggrBgEFBQcwAYYbaHR0cDovL29jc3Auc3RhcnRz c2wuY29tL2NhMC0GCCsGAQUFBzAChiFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS9zZnNjYS5jcnQw WwYDVR0fBFQwUjAnoCWgI4YhaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vc2ZzY2EuY3JsMCegJaAj hiFodHRwOi8vY3JsLnN0YXJ0c3NsLmNvbS9zZnNjYS5jcmwwgYAGA1UdIAR5MHcwdQYLKwYBBAGB tTcBAgEwZjAuBggrBgEFBQcCARYiaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vcG9saWN5LnBkZjA0 BggrBgEFBQcCARYoaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zdGFydHNzbC5jb20vaW50ZXJtZWRpYXRlLnBkZjANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAgEACoMIfXirLAZcuGOMXq4cuSN3TaFx2H2GvD5VSy/6rV55BYHbWNaPeQn3 oBSU8KgQZn/Kck1JxbLpAxVCNtsxeW1R87ifhsYZ0qjdrA9anrW2MAWCtosmAOT4OxK9QPoSjCMx M3HbkZCDJgnlE8jMopH21BbyAYr7b5EfGRQJNtgWcvqSXwKHnTutR08+Kkn0KAkXCzeQNLeA5LlY UzFyM7kPAp8pIRMQ+seHunmyG642S2+y/qHEdMuGIwpfz3eDF1PdctL04qYK/zu+Qg1Bw0RwgigV Zs/0c5HP2/e9DBHh7eSwtzYlk4AUr6yxLlcwSjOfOmKEQ/Q8tzh0IFiNu9IPuTGAPBn4CPxD0+Ru 8T2wg8/s43R/PT3kd1OEqOJUl7q+h+r6fpvU0Fzxd2tC8Ga6fDEPme+1Nbi+03pVjuZQKbGwKJ66 gEn06WqaxVZC+J8hh/jR0k9mST1iAZPNYulcNJ8tKmVtjYsv0L1TSm2+NwON58tO+pIVzu3DWwSE XSf+qkDavQam+QtEOZxLBXI++aMUEapSn+k3Lxm48ZCYfAWLb/Xj7F5JQMbZvCexglAbYR0kIHqW 5DnsYSdMD/IplJMojx0NBrxJ3fN9dvX2Y6BIXRsF1du4qESm4/3CKuyUV7p9DW3mPlHTGLvYxnyK Qy7VFBkoLINszBrOUeIxggNvMIIDawIBATCBlDCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0 YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcx ODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENB AgMN7zcwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAa8wGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0B CQUxDxcNMTUwNzE4MDYxNzU3WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUJE27f+arORmXL97630WiD4bE32cw gaUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBlzCBlDCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0 ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcxODA2BgNVBAMT L1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENBAgMN7zcwgacG CyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGXoIGUMIGMMQswCQYDVQQGEwJJTDEWMBQGA1UEChMNU3RhcnRDb20gTHRk LjErMCkGA1UECxMiU2VjdXJlIERpZ2l0YWwgQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2lnbmluZzE4MDYGA1UEAxMv U3RhcnRDb20gQ2xhc3MgMSBQcmltYXJ5IEludGVybWVkaWF0ZSBDbGllbnQgQ0ECAw3vNzANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCIRD6En5EuMzAUtauoLYhWlcymhJdMUA3RWNK+IxIsKvnevvC6MR3ZltsL sE1sRIjQHrRfkB1/bjnK7bVnFggmea9zaxzPmHChNMnhx+qiw61pu5bXjxoBm2LjvlxsQov83T8z OqE/hcrfZwFcDJzpKjUT3PPYa4A0L87yFpGtfWbywGQzNSty1kO00FtYXBoTvbY2Z/P+G4621k13 nycZKP+c4Az4GR0Ad5IULFMhVOuXAb51zO5bZGZS9SighgRuTULg+6z3ro6My60wz668YTbiPArU r+eXgQ2NImDCXSg0VjRj9EkgpAnD1OdEDqMfkttGUApvWIR7KibH1JRjAAAAAAAA --=-evthu+LsW/DaOYHHN+f3--