From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F06ABACC for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [66.63.167.143]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6741A3 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1437038760.25036.25.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: James Bottomley To: David Woodhouse Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:26:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1437038497.6856.25.camel@infradead.org> References: <201507080121.41463.PeterHuewe@gmx.de> <20150709231131.GA4516@cloud> <2035022.mDYmWm7DKc@avalon> <1437038497.6856.25.camel@infradead.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-PzAETCbFJAuFxbad1ERM" Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Jason Cooper Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-PzAETCbFJAuFxbad1ERM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 10:21 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2015-07-13 at 00:44 +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > >=20 > > The first topic we're trying to address is recruitment. From that point= of=20 > > view, giving as much feedback as possible to newcomers is good as long = as we=20 > > can make the automatic feedback constructive. An automated reply along = the=20 > > lines of > >=20 > > "You have tried to send a patch through e-mail to the foo@v.k.o mailing= list.=20 > > We have detected that your e-mail includes HTML content. This is not al= lowed=20 > > for the reasons explained at [...]. Please configure your e-mail client= to=20 > > send plain text only and resend the patch. Instructions on how to do so= far=20 > > popular e-mail clients can be found at [...]" >=20 > Yeah, at the moment I believe 'unacceptable' mail to vger lists just > gets black-holed. Leaving users wondering WTF they did wrong. Or just > wondering why they didn't get any responses. >=20 > It would be much nicer to do the same tests at SMTP time, giving the > rejection immediately. I'll let DaveM speak for himself on vger, but the reason I don't do this type of thing at SMTP time is that it holds the connections open and you can easily swamp the system. If you queue the scans, you have a much tighter control on your machine load (admittedly my "cloud" system is still a single processor i586 so I might be slightly behind the technology curve). 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