From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A683ACC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.9]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F567149 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1436571448.24408.96.camel@infradead.org> From: David Woodhouse To: Darren Hart Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:37:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20150710230921.GR111846@vmdeb7> References: <20150708114011.3a1f1861@noble> <2879113.fraeuJIr2M@avalon> <20150709193718.GD9169@vmdeb7> <1436481109.3324.219.camel@infradead.org> <20150710003559.GT11162@sirena.org.uk> <20150710020706.GH111846@vmdeb7> <20150710155144.34dde697@gandalf.local.home> <1436558412.24408.35.camel@infradead.org> <20150710163141.490def2a@gandalf.local.home> <1436560838.24408.52.camel@infradead.org> <20150710230921.GR111846@vmdeb7> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-1"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-xLpqa9uemt/Vhf711Hhn" Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Jason Cooper Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-xLpqa9uemt/Vhf711Hhn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-07-10 at 16:09 -0700, Darren Hart wrote: > This simple tool should not run on the client IMO. Or should be *required= * to > run on the client. The kernel.org patch submission web form would be usab= le by > anyone with a browser ... OK, go ahead... "anyone with a browser" is too = low a > bar for a kernel developer.... :-) >=20 > But seriously, we're talking about recruitment, and this is the kind of t= ooling > I routinely here non-Linux developers shake their heads at when consideri= ng our > development process. So while you and I are fine using vi (*jab*) and mut= t > (*evolution) and arcane bash (*posix shell*) scripts and local MTAs... ot= hers > would very much like to focus on the code they are changing, and let the > computers handle schlepping the changesets around. Especially when they o= nly > have a couple of patches to send, the setup is significant barrier. Can you really do kernel development without touching a command line? Perhaps we need a graphical tool based on gitk in which you can select a set of commits, edit a cover letter and (initially autogenerated) set of recipients, and then it'll send them for you? --=20 dwmw2 --=-xLpqa9uemt/Vhf711Hhn Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIISjjCCBicw ggUPoAMCAQICAw3vNzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0 YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcx ODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlhdGUgQ2xpZW50IENB MB4XDTE1MDUwNTA5NDM0MVoXDTE2MDUwNTA5NTMzNlowQjEcMBoGA1UEAwwTZHdtdzJAaW5mcmFk ZWFkLm9yZzEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTZHdtdzJAaW5mcmFkZWFkLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMkbm9kPbx1j/X4RVyf/pPKSYwelcco69TvnQQbKM8m8xkWjXJI1 jpJ1jMaGUZGFToINMSZi7lZawUozudWbXSKy1SikENSTJHffsdRAIlsp+hR8vWvjsKUry6sEdqPG 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