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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers
Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 13:53:45 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1400925225.6956.25.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)

A lot of the problems accepting patches into the kernel stem from trying
to get them reviewed ... some patch series even go for months without
being reviewed.  This is caused by a couple of problems.  The first one
is a submission issue, where you get a long N patch series (usually N >
10) you review and provide feedback, then you get a long N+Y series back
eventually with no indication what disposition was taken on any of the
review points ... even the most hardy reviewers get a bit demotivated at
this point. The second is an actual lack of reviewers in particular
fields, meaning that a small number of people tend to be the ones
reviewing patches in particular subsystems.

The former is probably just an addition to SubmittingPatches explaining
how to resend after addressing review comments.  The latter was supposed
to be helped by having the Reviewed-by: tag so we gave credit to
reviewers.  I've found the Reviewed-by tag to be a bit of a double edged
sword: it is a good way of giving review credits, but I also see patches
that come in initially with it on (usually the signoff and the
reviewed-by are from people in the same company) ... it's not
necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't add much value to the kernel
review process, because we're looking for independent reviews.  The
other thing I find problematic is that some people respond to a patch
with a Reviewed-by: tag and nothing more.  I'm really looking for
evidence of actually having read (and understood) the patch, so the best
review usually comes with a sequence of comments, questions and minor
nits and a reviewed-by at the end.

However, the fundamental problem is we still need to increase our review
pool, so we need more than the Reviewed-by: tag.  It has been suggested
that people who submit patches should also be required to review patches
from other people ... I think that's a bit drastic, but it is a
possibility. Another possibility for the kernel summit might be to have
review time instead of hack time: we each nominate a patch set needing
review and it gets reviewed by others in that time ... if that one's
successful, we could extend the concept to other conferences and
development sprints which do hack time.  Another possibility is to
publish a subsystem to review list (similar to the to do list idea).
This at least shows submitters why their patch series is languishing and
could serve as a call to arms if it gets too long.

I'm sure there are many other things people could suggest.

James

             reply	other threads:[~2014-05-24  9:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-24  9:53 James Bottomley [this message]
2014-05-24 11:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 19:18   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-25  4:56     ` NeilBrown
2014-05-25  4:57     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 15:41       ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 16:05         ` mark gross
2014-05-30 16:45           ` Guenter Roeck
2014-06-01 14:05           ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25  8:59     ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-26 12:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-26 12:52         ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-27 17:27   ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-27 22:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 22:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-27 23:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 14:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 14:32         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 14:39           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 16:39             ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 16:51               ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 17:35                 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 17:44                   ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28 18:38                     ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28 21:32                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29  9:28                         ` Li Zefan
2014-05-29 17:41                           ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  2:41                             ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 17:28                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-30 23:40                               ` Greg KH
2014-05-31 16:49                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-06-01  8:36                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2014-05-31 23:30                               ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29 18:43                         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 22:48               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-28 23:17                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 18:45                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29  7:35             ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-28 16:05         ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:37           ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:50             ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 16:20         ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 16:28           ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-28 17:05             ` Jonathan Corbet
2014-05-28 21:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-28 23:31               ` josh
2014-05-28 23:55                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-29  0:39                 ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29  0:47                   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-29  0:52                     ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-29  6:13                 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-29 18:58                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 23:34                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  2:23                     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30  4:26                     ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30  5:02                       ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  5:33                         ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 14:14                           ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 16:40                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:43                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 16:56                           ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers (was: Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-30 19:54                             ` Shuah Khan
2014-06-02 12:00                               ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-30 20:50                             ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-31  1:44                             ` [Ksummit-discuss] More productive uses of enthusiastic new kernel developers Li Zefan
2014-05-31  1:54                               ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-31  2:21                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31 22:53                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-31  2:07                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-31  3:52                                 ` Greg KH
2014-05-31  4:08                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-30 23:47                           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers Greg KH
2014-05-30 11:17                       ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-31 21:05                         ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-29 10:31                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-29 18:36                   ` Greg KH
2014-05-29 15:32                 ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-28  5:37     ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-28 10:06       ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-28 13:57         ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-24 14:24 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-26 12:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-24 15:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-05-24 17:31   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-25  4:15     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-05-26 12:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-27 18:21     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-25  4:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-25  8:53   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-25  9:11     ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-05-27  8:16     ` Li Zefan
2014-05-25  9:09   ` Wolfram Sang
2014-05-25 22:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-05-26 15:53   ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 14:39     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-27 20:53       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-27 21:22         ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28  0:10           ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-28  0:30             ` Greg KH
2014-05-28 23:25             ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:32               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-28 23:47                 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29  4:01               ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29  5:17                 ` Dan Williams
2014-05-29 23:56                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 23:59                     ` Dan Williams
2014-05-28 23:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29  0:35             ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-29  4:36               ` Martin K. Petersen
2014-05-29 16:46               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-29 21:57                 ` Frank Rowand
2014-05-29 23:12                   ` Mark Brown
2014-05-28  1:10           ` NeilBrown
2014-05-28  5:11           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-26 12:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-28 18:47 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 20:15   ` josh
2014-05-29  2:15   ` Rob Herring
2014-05-29  3:34     ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-30  0:52       ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-29  8:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2014-05-30  0:47     ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30  0:51     ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 18:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Reforming Acked-by (was Re: [TOPIC] Encouraging more reviewers) Paul Walmsley
2014-05-28 19:11   ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-28 19:15     ` John W. Linville
2014-05-28 19:51       ` Mimi Zohar
2014-05-30 14:59       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:10         ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30 21:10           ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 21:30             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-02  2:43             ` Randy Dunlap
2014-06-02  2:53               ` NeilBrown
2014-06-02  3:01                 ` Randy Dunlap
2014-05-28 19:49   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-28 20:12   ` josh
2014-05-28 20:22     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:02       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-28 23:18         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-05-28 23:29           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 14:44             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-29 14:59               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 16:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-30 10:58                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-29 15:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-29 18:27   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-05-29 21:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-29 21:03       ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-29 23:30         ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  1:12           ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30  5:04             ` Greg KH
2014-05-30  5:39               ` James Bottomley
2014-05-30 11:30                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-30 23:39                 ` Greg KH
2014-05-30 10:08           ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 13:07             ` Jan Kara
2014-05-30 13:41               ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-05-30 15:22               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-31  1:30                 ` Li Zefan
2014-05-30 14:34           ` John W. Linville
2014-05-30  0:55         ` Paul Walmsley
2014-05-30 15:17         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 15:06       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 21:26         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-30 21:29           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-30 22:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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