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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Device error handling / reporting / isolation
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 11:46:10 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1400031970.17624.221.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1399666748.2166.68.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>

On Fri, 2014-05-09 at 13:19 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > Defending against buggy hardware is interesting from a RAS perspective.
> > You don't want a card with a stuck address line scribbling on memory
> > that you didn't want it to touch.
> 
> But for a laptop or desktop kernel, how far do we want to go?  In
> theory, once the iommu is turned on, it corrals the device, since access
> to non programmed addresses (those without IOTLB entries) produces a
> fault.  Is there anything extra we need to do beyond turning on the
> IOMMU?

These tend to be the ones with the cheapest/buggiest hardware and less
prone to be affected by a 100ns overhead on PCIe transactions.

So they are the prime candidate for defaulting to a stricter protection
model.

They are also the ones likely to have an evil express card or whatever
that new PCIe-on-the-wire pushed by Apple & Intel or similar plugged into
them that tries to steal their data.

On the contrary, servers in controlled data centers using high end adapters
might wish to disable the IOMMU for performance reasons.

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-14  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-08 12:37 David Woodhouse
2014-05-08 18:03 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-05-08 20:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 19:56 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-09  8:55   ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-09 11:31     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-14  1:28       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-05-09 17:48 ` Roland Dreier
2014-05-09 17:58   ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-05-09 18:08     ` Roland Dreier
2014-05-14  1:40   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-05-09 18:05 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-12 15:03   ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-09 19:37 ` Josh Triplett
2014-05-09 19:44   ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-09 19:53   ` Roland Dreier
2014-05-09 20:13     ` Luck, Tony
2014-05-09 20:19       ` James Bottomley
2014-05-10  1:09         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-11 22:43           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-12 15:07             ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-12 15:35               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-12 16:16                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-12 16:28                   ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-12 16:59                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-05-12 17:15                       ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-12 17:11                     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-12 17:40                       ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-13 10:06                         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-12 17:04                   ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-13 11:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-13 17:25                       ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-14  1:50                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-05-14 20:09                         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-05-15  1:08                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-05-12 16:26                 ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-12 14:58         ` Joerg Roedel
2014-05-13 14:37         ` David Woodhouse
2014-05-14  1:46         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2014-05-14  1:43     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-05-14  1:42   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-05-14  1:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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