On 4/19/2017 12:18 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Doug Ledford wrote: >> On 4/18/2017 4:13 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure who those people actually are, but I suspect this list >>> contains people who can point to each tech lead.. I think it's Laura >>> Abbott for Fedora, for example? >> >> There really is no pain point for Fedora. They take a very simple >> approach: in rawhide, they pull latest git once you hit the -rc cycles >> and build it, otherwise it's the latest released kernel; in actual >> releases, they pull stable tree point releases as they are released (not >> long term stable, they upgrade to a new stable tree fairly regularly). >> They really don't do much in the way of having to integrate changes into >> their kernel (intentionally), it's just a constant rolling update game >> using newer and newer tarballs. So, the pain is not in Fedora, it's in >> RHEL. What we do there is so totally different from Fedora and hurts so >> bad as a developer...but I don't know if you really care to even talk >> about that at the summit since, to be fair, it's largely a consequence >> of our business model. > > Yeah, I don't think we can do much about distros that intentionally > want to stay behind and backport. Admittedly Android seems to be very > much in that camp too, but I'd at least want to talk to them more. > RHEL I feel knows what it's doing and isn't causing the kinds of > issues Android is anyway. > > That said, even with Fedora I think Laura was at the KS last year, and > did talk about what she sees as the stable kernel process. So Fedora > may not be a "painpoint", but may well be relevant for the "meet with > people and talk about process issues once a year". Entirely true. And I probably shouldn't have said there is no pain point for Fedora, because I shouldn't have put words in her mouth anyway. I would *expect* there is no pain point given their model (and I've not seen the internal email discussions we see around our RHEL kernels), but I can't speak beyond that. -- Doug Ledford GPG Key ID: B826A3330E572FDD Key fingerprint = AE6B 1BDA 122B 23B4 265B 1274 B826 A333 0E57 2FDD