From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73F5BA80 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cloudserver094114.home.pl (cloudserver094114.home.pl [79.96.170.134]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD390716 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:50:08 +0000 (UTC) From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: Rodrigo Vivi Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:47:24 +0200 Message-ID: <12301053.Ylcd6Sp975@aspire.rjw.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <8412864.7ztUKcXNNC@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] community management/subsystem governance List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Friday, September 14, 2018 1:02:57 AM CEST Rodrigo Vivi wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:07 PM Thomas Gleixner wrote: > [cut] > > > > > Group maintainership is not the Panacea. So please stop the prayer wheel > > and come up with solutions which address identifed indivudual problems. Not > > having group maintainership is for some subsystems the least of their > > worries. And as a member of the first official maintainer group in the > > kernel I can assure you that group maintainership is not making all other > > and potentially more dangerous problems magically go away. > > > > But if there's time to discuss I don't know why they should be exclusive > things... It's very much like saying "This works for me, so it also has to work for you or if it doesn't, explain that to me, please!" However, the real case is that different things work for different people and by doing the above you really make people feel like they need to defend themselves, which isn't particularly friendly to be honest. And if you want any positive changes to happen, making people feel like they need to defend themselves is really counter-productive. While it is tempting to try to impose specific similar (or even identical) solutions on everybody, which often happens in politics mind you, that often goes against techical merit, personal preferences or sometimes even against what it achievable in practice given the available resources and time. Of course, you totally have the right to advocate for certain things, but then please realize that your experience may not be the same as the experience of the others and respect that. Thanks, Rafael