From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86C1228151C; Fri, 12 Dec 2025 23:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.133 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1765583679; cv=none; b=e5n2g92A9aezqkSTLYZJtyiYTV/Ck0aJlyohBRIAZVGg5G8ivY+JSP6BQWbgTX0CAbFxxTMc43PnRBNm++nSdCU1OCutjRtkV7vTC9iaxtNpdlCsW8CJsnumc3G25ZG6DrwrQ2k/KIEPUef4wY9f+3EbpSgcYnQvPlsUJvR1Ohs= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1765583679; c=relaxed/simple; bh=rbFoYYCdm5OZyPr+ipmbWLuXMT7EHks1Ycrt+Vp0BKs=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=qtUWpz44qsw+oEtZqhqDiqLF8VVyKUHGblr4S6N/6xUbt5FN1n8j8Ij4Ck/4e5OalvcLac6kffxV1Vq9NSgA0KFS2NpIjklR2qUwB7KSkdLjiiLJLlSPVDlx8k3vq4CstfZLnnZyqRbkqtyS48QZwVBVKkgRyM27PPTfqI4tBTg= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b=kK7+ySjc; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.133 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="kK7+ySjc" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:In-Reply-To:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=6EXaQZLb5YPDccfLB5ViaWu5r+6IQcYByRuH+vk2IWU=; b=kK7+ySjc99sV87p8feqZj73z5q CQp3FU2IYmMM46GDMfUef9fvoB6tg3uWOhGb5Pbve1MYLsyeq5KzhxYtAiNBa2Pk9UmJI/PJDso29 35O3rs5hrLiQImOv5DWj4Rcw4VckSCKdJGeJ7aA8sZhX3tml1Z8cvIv1FDvpr01BuydYIlxGMqGHO o5RtUOcuI+2ojqwvyOqUXINuuzic3vK7LWQ99yvbPfJrSl1KyJ1H3sw9eD6mRYLivAMfp3TEwgb+B 0ptFDke1fu/mFk06wOszZocVenvBRMjk19gMgI5fT+CDji08yCADsiELUkV7tpTAsrGqqDwWnyeMj PIgeJ1ZA==; Received: from [50.53.43.113] (helo=[192.168.254.34]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1vUCy2-00000001E75-1YUV; Fri, 12 Dec 2025 23:54:34 +0000 Message-ID: <0b68a5a4-2f05-43a2-8de2-3efbe8a8b7e4@infradead.org> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 15:54:25 -0800 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: kernel.org tooling update To: Stephen Hemminger , Thorsten Leemhuis Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev , users@kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Linux kernel regressions list References: <20251209-roaring-hidden-alligator-068eea@lemur> <20251213084827.634cb60f@stephen-xps.local> Content-Language: en-US From: Randy Dunlap In-Reply-To: <20251213084827.634cb60f@stephen-xps.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/12/25 3:48 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 14:30:37 +0100 > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > >> he update, much appreciated! >> >> On 12/10/25 05:48, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: >> >>> ### Bugzilla >>> >>> It may be time to kill bugzilla: >> >> Thx for bringing this up, as I a few months ago again looked somewhat >> closer at the state of how well our bugzilla is working for the core >> kernel. I didn't post the analysis in the end, but to me it looked like >> the state of things was round the same as it was three years ago -- when >> it wasn't working well, which was among the reasons why we came close to >> abandoning bugzilla for kernel bugs[1]. >> >> [1] for those that don't remember, see https://lwn.net/Articles/910740/ >> and >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/aa876027-1038-3e4a-b16a-c144f674c0b0@leemhuis.info/ >> >> >> >>> - despite periodic "we're not dead yet" emails, it doesn't appear very >>> active >>> - the upgrade path to 6.0 is broken for us due to bugzilla abandoning the >>> 5.2 development branch and continuing with 5.1 >>> - question remains with what to replace bugzilla, >> >> To me it looks like most subsystems don't care much or at all about >> bugzilla.kernel.org. This made me wonder (and maybe you could gather >> some opinions on this in Tokyo): >> >> * How many kernel subsystems have a strong interest in a bug tracking >> solution at all[2]? And how many of those might be happy by using some >> external issue tracker, like those in github (like Rust for Linux, >> thesofproject, and a few others do), gitlab (either directly, like >> apparmor, or self-hosted, like the DRM subsystem)? >> >> * Does the kernel as a whole need a bug tracking solution at all to >> receive reports? We for now require email for patches, so why not for >> bugs as well, unless a subsystem really wants something (see above)? > > I am the default target for all networking bugzilla submissions. > Would be very happy to just see bugzilla die. > Right now, all I do is do a quick scan and respond to the junk submissions > and forward the rest to the netdev mailing list with a note on the bug > to go there in the future. > > Issue tracking is not in the workflow for the community. which can be observed by the number of Categories/Components that don't have an assignee -- even a mailing list. Which should be "fixed" IMO. I.e., we are actively helping bugzilla entries to be ignored. I don't think it's the tool itself. More likely something else... -- ~Randy