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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TOPIC] kernel hardening / self-protection /	whatever
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 00:53:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0E98DCC5-01EE-4FA7-B6D4-72772279BDFF@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKZb60=3H8faOG53Aq7H3MeST7_syionmFCE2HQFOG8SA@mail.gmail.com>

On 1 Aug 2016, at 00:05, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 2:55 AM, Paul Burton <paul.burton@imgtec.com> wrote:
>> It would be very interesting to discuss what's needed from arch code for
>> various hardening features, both those currently in mainline & those in
>> development.

I'm interested in such topic as well, primarily from an arm/arm64 perspective. 

> - Handling userspace/kernelspace memory segregation. (This is the SMAP
> of x86, PAN of ARM, and just native on s390.) For architectures (or
> chipsets within an architecture) that don't support unprivileged
> memory access restrictions in hardware, we must find a way to emulate
> it. (e.g. 32-bit ARM uses Domains, and 64-bit x86 could use PCIDs,
> etc.) Keeping these regions separate is extremely important in
> stopping exploitation.

For arm64 ARMv8.0 (without hardware PAN), I'm going to post a patch 
in a week or so which emulates PAN by switching the user page table (TTBR0) 
to the zero page. I guess a similar approach could work for other architectures, 
maybe using swapper_pg_dir as the PAN page table. 

>> For example MIPS systems are currently showing the "This architecture does
>> not have kernel memory protection." message since d2aa1acad22f (which to a
>> user sounds pretty dire as though user code can freely access kernel data)
>> and which I'd like for MIPS to implement the security to avoid. However
>> because TLB refills are performed by software it's non-trivial, since we
>> generally rely upon the kernel being placed in an unmapped region of the
>> virtual address space & being unmapped there is no TLB entry to mark
>> read-only.
> 
> This is actually from the perspective of the kernel, so when the
> kernel code is running, it's mapped, and those entries should all be
> marked read-only. As I mentioned above, we need to consider W^X memory
> permissions a fundamental security protection, and architectures
> should make sure this is completely fixed.

On arm64 we have such feature in hardware: the WXN (write execute never) 
bit in SCTLR_EL1. However, this would affect user space as well, so it needs to 
be switched only when entering the kernel to avoid ABI breakage. I don't have 
the ARM specs at hand but one possible complication is the WXN bit 
being cached in the TLB (and invalidating the TLBs on kernel entry/exit 
is not practical). 

> (And that is stays that
> way: x86 actually scans kernel memory permissions at boot now to make
> sure no writable and executable regions have appeared.)

That's probably a good enough workaround without additional hardware support. 

BTW, while not a kernel security feature, I've been asked in the past to enable 
execute-only (no read) permissions on arm64 (e.g. mmap(PROT_EXEC)). 
I have a simple patch for this, though I'm not 100% sure about user ABI implications. 
So far I'm not aware of any user application using PROT_EXEC only and also 
expecting PROT_READ. 


(Sorry for the email formatting, I'm on holiday and with only a phone as communication device)

-- 
Catalin 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-03 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-11  4:28 Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-11 13:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-11 16:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-11 17:57   ` Kees Cook
2016-07-12 16:40     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-21 15:54   ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-11 17:33 ` Jann Horn
2016-07-19 15:40   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  2:14     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-20  2:14       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-20  6:42         ` Herbert Xu
2016-07-21 17:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-11 17:53 ` Kees Cook
2016-07-11 18:07   ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-11 18:59     ` Kees Cook
2016-07-31  9:55   ` Paul Burton
2016-07-31 22:04     ` Kees Cook
2016-08-01 10:47       ` Mark Rutland
2016-08-01 19:42         ` Kees Cook
2016-08-03 22:53       ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2016-08-04  5:32         ` Kees Cook
2016-08-04  5:45           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04  5:54             ` Kees Cook
2016-08-05  0:12               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-08 23:54                 ` Kees Cook
2016-09-09  0:42                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04 14:17           ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-04 22:29             ` Catalin Marinas
2016-08-01  9:34     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [nominations] " Mark Rutland

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