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McKenney" To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: Steven Rostedt , James Bottomley , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Annotating patches containing AI-assisted code Message-ID: <01ac1a43-a70c-4a36-bb02-8fc1991d3f4a@paulmck-laptop> Reply-To: paulmck@kernel.org References: <9383F8DB-CD38-40CC-B91D-7F98E8156C04@HansenPartnership.com> <4tacplepoih3wvejopmtkdg7ujtvwmufd5teiozk5im2jikn7a@jdbou6kwindl> <20250821122329.03c77178@foz.lan> <20250821125037.5cf5be3d@gandalf.local.home> <20250821193041.398ed30b@foz.lan> <20250821135329.16dad71e@gandalf.local.home> <20250821203259.2097c63b@foz.lan> <20250821150757.26813600@gandalf.local.home> <20250821215229.5f4ed387@foz.lan> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250821215229.5f4ed387@foz.lan> On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 09:52:29PM +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:07:57 -0400 > Steven Rostedt escreveu: > > > On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:32:59 +0200 > > Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > > > Btw, even in the case of a bigger pattern you saw there and you > > > may be repeating, you won't be the only one doing it: an entire > > > generation that used K&C textbook are also repeating them. Plus > > > the ones that used newer books whose authors got inspired from > > > it. > > > > Since the authors actively encouraged people to use their examples, there's > > no incentive to go after anyone. > > True. > > > > In practice, even with the original book's copyright, I doubt > > > anyone could actually enforce copyrights if one picks one of the > > > book's code and use as-is (and more likely one would adjust > > > coding style, parameter pass logic, etc). > > > > I'm not so sure. But since most people who write coding books want people > > to use their work, there's been no precedence on someone going after > > someone for using code from a book (that I know of). > > > > But there's a lot of assumptions in this thread, and I fear that those that > > take a too lenient approach to AI may get burned by it. > > AI is new, so yeah, there's always a risk. But then again, there's a > risk already without it. I don't think the risk is too much different. > Perhaps it is even lower, as all major companies are investing in AI, > and they don't want to be sued. Plus, they're much more interested on > the direct revenue AI can produce for them. So, probably there aren't > much intent to try costly legal actions with low chances to monetize > by going after people using AI. Let's please be realistic. There isn't just a tiny bit of legal risk. Instead, there are multiple lawsuits currently in flight on the status of AI-generated material. Thanx, Paul