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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] The role of AI and LLMs in the kernel process
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 13:36:42 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251208043642.GD30348@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87qzt5fvc5.fsf@trenco.lwn.net>

On Sun, Dec 07, 2025 at 09:31:22PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Laurent Pinchart writes:
> 
> > This is a pretty good summary. It's missing one point in my opinion,
> > partly related to the legal stance: the ethical stance.
> >
> > The Linux kernel is governed by the GPL. There are contributors who care
> > about the copyleft aspect of the license. Even if the legal issues get
> > cleared in the future, not everybody will agree that usage of GPL code
> > as input to create proprietary LLMs is ethical:
> 
> Somebody needs to say this: that is an important ethical question, but
> it is far from the only one:
> 
> - The creation of these LLM systems imposes significant costs on anybody
>   trying to run any sort of open resource on the Internet.  I have
>   ranted at length about this... Konstantin has been rather more
>   restrained, but the effects of this industry on kernel.org have been
>   significant and expensive.  Using these systems makes us a part of the
>   problem.
> 
> - Before generating code in this way, we should think about the
>   jet-engine turbines now powering data centers.  We work on Linux to
>   create a better world; wrecking its climate is not conducive to that
>   goal.
> 
> - The BitKeeper experience showed us what can happen when we make our
>   processes dependent on proprietary software.  We should not forget
>   that lesson regardless of how shiny the new toys look.
> 
> I'll stop now :)

I hope you won't, someone needs to keep being vocal about those crucial
points :-) I often feel pretty lonely when I raise those concerns, it's
important to show people they're not alone.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-08  4:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-05 16:03 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 16:43 ` James Bottomley
2025-08-05 17:11   ` Mark Brown
2025-08-05 17:23     ` James Bottomley
2025-08-05 17:43       ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 17:58         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 18:16       ` Mark Brown
2025-08-05 18:01     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 18:46       ` Mark Brown
2025-08-05 19:18         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 17:17   ` Stephen Hemminger
2025-08-05 17:55   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 18:23     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-12 13:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-05 18:34     ` James Bottomley
2025-08-05 18:55       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-12 13:50       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-05 18:39     ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 19:15       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 20:02         ` James Bottomley
2025-08-05 20:48           ` Al Viro
2025-08-06 19:26           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-07 12:25             ` Mark Brown
2025-08-07 13:00               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-11 21:26                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-08-12 14:19                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-06  4:04       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-08-06 20:36         ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-05 21:58   ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-06  6:58     ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-08-06 19:36       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-06 19:35     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-05 18:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-08-05 18:19   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-06  5:49   ` Julia Lawall
2025-08-06  9:25     ` Dan Carpenter
2025-08-06  9:39       ` Julia Lawall
2025-08-06 19:30       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-12 14:37         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-12 15:02           ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:24             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-08-12 15:25               ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-12 15:28                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-08  1:12 ` Sasha Levin
2025-12-08  1:25   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-12-08  1:59     ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-08  3:15       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-08  3:42         ` James Bottomley
2025-12-08  8:41           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-12-08  9:16             ` James Bottomley
2025-12-08 10:22               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-12-08  4:15   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-12-08  4:31     ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-08  4:36       ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2025-12-08  7:00   ` Jiri Kosina
2025-12-08  7:38     ` James Bottomley

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